Thank you Doug, but I was more referring to the hints at attacking an individual rather than making contacts off list and making friends. As you point out and I agree there are and have been people meet and become friends through lists. I know and have worked with several of this lists more knowedgable individuals that are local to me off list a few times and still would throw work their way when possible. This is list is a great place to know where to go to find someone that could fill a consulting position when and if you need some really top end help.
Jon On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Doug Hampshire <dhampsh...@gmail.com>wrote: > I disconcur (unconcur, misconcur?) Over my also very long association with > this and other techie lists (especially Peter's old Exchange list) I've > found many, many things being taken offlist. Of course IIRC almost all of > those things have involved consuming copious amount of adult beverages (and > yes, we have actually caused certain bars to run out of specific brands of > said beverages). Some of those offlist contacts have become lifelong > friends (even unto death, RIP JRH, Mr. Houge, and Mr. Southworth). I've > also worked with many of the same people either directly (various list > members have worked for me before) or via various consulting arrangements. > > That being said, there are no "masters" here. There is no secret cabal. > I've only seen personal types of comments when A) they are actually good > friends with the person and are just yanking their chain, or B) that person > has been such a douche bag that it appears that it's the only way to get > them to listen (most still don't). > > Being a "real" person here has had a significant impact on my personal and > professional life. If you think how you conduct yourself on some techie > list doesn't matter, you are sadly mistaken. The good news is pretty much > everyone I've personally encountered here and on other tech lists (probably > 50-75 people) are very forgiving and welcoming people. My recommendation is > to be a Real Person (tm) and consider the feedback people give you. It also > helps if you buy a round when you do meet list members in person. (For > those that are not adept at grasping the scope of my advice here, I'm NOT > speaking to Mr. Harris. I'm addressing multiple other offenders here. I > just happened to pick his message to reply to.) > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In all my years on this list I have never heard of anyone taking anything >> beyond the list unless it was a comment that did not belong on the list >> being sent directly to the email address of the subscribed individual >> usually then it help of some kind not attacks. >> >> BTW I go back to about 97 or 98 so that is a LONG time. >> >> Jon >> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin <kz2...@googlemail.com>wrote: >> >>> I think your moniker is well-deserved - "masters" of the list is very >>> cynical. I don't see it that way. And if anyone from this list saw fit to >>> speak to my employer or attack me personally via telephone or snail mail, >>> I'd see fit to go over to knock on their door and have it out with them. I >>> come from a pretty grassroots place so if someone's out of order we tend to >>> see nothing wrong with getting down on the cobbles, if necessary, and >>> sorting it out. Each to their own. I don't think anyone here would do that, >>> though. Maybe I'm "naive geek", but I'm not worrying about it. >>> >>> IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers. >>> >>> Signature will soon be gone. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> >>> JR >>> >>> On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek <cynicalg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it >>>> hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other >>>> people just doesn't make any sense to me. But....whatever. >>>> >>>> You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. >>>> However, after seeing how a lot of the "masters" of this list treat the >>>> readers of the list, I'll never do it. The "masters" find enjoyment in >>>> berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it >>>> past some or the "masters" to actually look somebody up and either A) call >>>> a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in >>>> real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. >>>> >>>> This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that >>>> goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not >>>> using my real name. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link < >>>> jonathan.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend >>>>> to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those >>>>> are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people >>>>> with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? >>>>> Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, >>>>> either. >>>>> >>>>> Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin >>>>> trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to >>>>> use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. >>>>> >>>>> Community is built when people "know" who their peers are. >>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek <cynicalg...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and >>>>>> last name. >>>>>> >>>>>> #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long >>>>>> signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users >>>>>> not >>>>>> to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. >>>>>> >>>>>> #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the >>>>>> community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list >>>>>> NOTHING and improve the service of the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 demerit for you sir! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers >>>>>>>> tonight sir. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv >>>>>>>>> provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been >>>>>>>>> completed >>>>>>>>> with references included! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger < >>>>>>>>> gary.slin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext >>>>>>>>>> real-world name, that would be a good thing also. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------Original Message------ >>>>>>>>>> From: cynicalg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>>>>> ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: list delays >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' >>>>>>>>>> email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries < >>>>>>>>>> nt...@hedgedigger.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed >>>>>>>>>> or ditch lyris. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource >>>>>>>>>> hog! 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