I loved NT4. See previous threads for evidence of my Win2K hatred :-) ---Blackberried
-----Original Message----- From: Webster <webs...@carlwebster.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:53:45 To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>Subject: RE: list delays For your punishment, you must go back to NT4 and NT4 roaming profiles for 30 days! Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ________________________________________ From: Rankin, James R [kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays I must apologise for my sig causing so much bother. ---Blackberried ________________________________ From: Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:04:36 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> Subject: Re: list delays While that is certainly true, he no longer has a point about remaining anonymous, and his continued "asshattery" compounded the situation. Sometimes when the prey runs the predator gives chase. Note, I was the first one to be vocal about his objection to James Rankin's signature. He voiced an objection, I voiced an opinion that I wasn't bothered by the signature, and thought it interesting that someone who couldn't be bothered to put his real name as a display name had rights to impose his desires on the community. I know several who have interesting usern...@gmail.com<mailto:usern...@gmail.com> addresses, but do put their real name, or what I think is their real name out there. Ben Scott, for example is mailvortex. For all I know mailvortex is someone else, but he's generally a responsible member of the community. (Sorry Ben!) I was pretty well willing to let him lie in his own hypocrisy. I haven't had any involvement in any of the items he's reported to the list. It appears that he has angered the "masters" of the list, though. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Jeff Brown <jbr...@webcoindustries.com<mailto:jbr...@webcoindustries.com>> wrote: I don’t think “mr. anonymous” has crossed that line… From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com<mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com>] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Nice. Very nice. ________________________________ From: Don Ely <don....@gmail.com<mailto:don....@gmail.com>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:19:43 -0700 To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>> Subject: Re: list delays For those that don't recall... Back in 2000-2001, there was a tool that chose to degrade women on the list for what reason I don't recall... Said tool was posting from his work account which made his comments all the more interesting... Said tool, was "responsible for exchange and all things security" at Labor Ready. Tool was asked to return to the shed, refrain from acting like a douche waffle in a public forum and apologize publicly. All the while, some "information gathering" was being performed. Captain Tool of all Douche Waffles was asked one last time to apologize, otherwise his employer would be informed at the highest levels of his behavior. For some reason he thought he was untouchable... Needless to say, Captain Tool of all Douche Waffles circa 2000-2001 remained combative and unwilling to show remorse... It was a interesting phone call from the CIO of Labor Ready. He was truly interested in how someone could know so much about the internal network of Labor Ready... It's been said, that he was very happy that their company received a "security audit/penetration test" on the house at the time... We'll just say that Captain Tool of all Douche Waffles was never heard from again and the breached levy's were rebuilt and better reinforced to reduce the attack surface... A $44k per year company with one employee (actually 2 if you really study the LinkedIN profile) most certainly isn't worth that kind of effort... Well, not to me anyway... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Gary Slinger <gary.slin...@gmail.com<mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com>> wrote: ? ________________________________ From: Don Ely <don....@gmail.com<mailto:don....@gmail.com>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:46:01 -0700 To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>> Subject: Re: list delays Then you've forgotten the Labor Ready situation from the Exchange list... :D On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@gmail.com<mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com>> wrote: In all my years on this list I have never heard of anyone taking anything beyond the list unless it was a comment that did not belong on the list being sent directly to the email address of the subscribed individual usually then it help of some kind not attacks. BTW I go back to about 97 or 98 so that is a LONG time. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin <kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote: I think your moniker is well-deserved - "masters" of the list is very cynical. I don't see it that way. And if anyone from this list saw fit to speak to my employer or attack me personally via telephone or snail mail, I'd see fit to go over to knock on their door and have it out with them. I come from a pretty grassroots place so if someone's out of order we tend to see nothing wrong with getting down on the cobbles, if necessary, and sorting it out. Each to their own. I don't think anyone here would do that, though. Maybe I'm "naive geek", but I'm not worrying about it. IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers. Signature will soon be gone. Cheers, JR On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek <cynicalg...@gmail.com<mailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other people just doesn't make any sense to me. But....whatever. You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. However, after seeing how a lot of the "masters" of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll never do it. The "masters" find enjoyment in berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it past some or the "masters" to actually look somebody up and either A) call a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, either. Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. Community is built when people "know" who their peers are. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek <cynicalg...@gmail.com<mailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com>> wrote: #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and last name. #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list NOTHING and improve the service of the list. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com<mailto:don....@gmail.com>> wrote: 1 demerit for you sir! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@gmail.com<mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com>> wrote: Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers tonight sir. Jon On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com<mailto:don....@gmail.com>> wrote: And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been completed with references included! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger <gary.slin...@gmail.com<mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com>> wrote: Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. ------Original Message------ From: cynicalg...@gmail.com<mailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com> To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: list delays Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries <nt...@hedgedigger.com<mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com>> wrote: > wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed or ditch lyris. > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to > listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeek<at>gmail.com<http://gmail.com> -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeek<at>gmail.com<http://gmail.com> -- ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' 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