I vote for #1. If you have a data-center failure, a standalone DC makes it just a little bit easier to get everything running again. (Note: I'm not suggesting it's a requirement, but if you are re-starting a datacenter after a full failure, every bit of simplicity helps.)
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! #2 There are rules/best practises to follow such as not using snapshots when updating DCs that are virtual, but the biggest issue, which used to be clock skew, is a non-issue these days. ________________________________ From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 April 2012 5:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things... 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical. You can certainly have virtual DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical. 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all. Period. Thoughts? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! >> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V >> boxes individually? No, you don't have to back them up individually. Lots of 3rd party options here. >> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" >> situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote: I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no particular order: Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. Single management tool. Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware infrastructure. Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Outside of usability you then have: Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in VMDK/OVF format Tons of vCenter add-ins I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics. ________________________________________ From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>] Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? I've only used the latter, so I can't judge. John -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'd assume ease of use and market leader. -----Original Message----- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>] Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V? 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