Your opinion doesn't offend me. I never really claimed that you in particular were anti-apple, but alluded to a pattern of comments I've seen on the list that tends to discount products that won't work in their environment and dismissing any potential value those products may have in * other* environments.. Your comment I guess set me off. And to boot, the original poster's problem was not even a configuration problem, more like a Murphy's law problem If you apply an update immediately before the application device needs to be functional the update will fail and (temporarily) brick your system. I apologize to you for bearing the brunt of my opinion.
-Jonathan On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Christopher J. Bosak <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Did I say I was anti-apple? No. Was I bowing to the Micro$oft gods? No. > I'm a Linux man myself. I was just stating, that in *my opinion* WM 6.1 > was easier to configure then the iPhone. > > > > Sorry if my *opinion* offended you. > > > > Christopher J. Bosak > > Vector Company > > c. 847.603.4673 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *"You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue."* > > *- B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me* > > > > *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:31 hrs > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > > > Perhaps. > > My main problem is that generally this list is quite open about alternative > technologies to solving a particular problem, even though it's officially an > nt system administrators list. Many of us here are working with varied and > mixed environments, some by choice and some by fiat or inheritence. > > I have trouble when that same open attitude can't be extended to Apple. > Does Apple have control issues? Sure, but then so does Microsoft. So does > IBM, HP, Dell, any vendor wants to exercise as much control over their > product as possible. Apple just happens to be a bit more successful in > exercising that control to fulfill their vision. If you happen to disagree > with that vision, that's fine, too, but my feeling is that this list > generally doesn't discount any company regardless of their vision if they're > capable of providing the right tool for a given application. I try and use > the best tool for the job. To wit, I bought a Macbook Pro as my last > notebook, because I wanted to play some games on it, and I wanted to do some > video editing work with video's we've collected of our daughter since she > was born. I spec'ed out similar systems from HP, Dell, and Apple > (obviously). All were about comparable in price for what I wanted to do, > but the Apple won because it had great easy to use video editing software > and, I could run Windows in Bootcamp. I run Bootcamp 75% of the time, and a > lot of the time I'm on the OS X side, I'm running my Bootcamp partition > through Fusion. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Jonathan must have accidentally slipped on Don's cranky pants this morning > when he was sneaking out of the house in the dark. > > ;-P > > > > *From:* Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:10 AM > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > > *Subject:* RE: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > > > Sheesh, take a sedative. I was just trying to state it worked out of the > box without excessive configuration and without installing anything. Way to > over-read into things. > > > > Christopher J. Bosak > > Vector Company > > c. 847.603.4673 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *"You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue."* > > *- B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me* > > > > *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2008 08:32 hrs > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > > > Silly tools? > > <rant> > > Sheesh, cut the hyperbole. Perhaps there's a good application where the > iPhone fits and another model cellphone wouldn't. > > My iPhone just works, too. I don't make a big deal about it until someone > has to needlessly comment that it's a toy or it doesn't work. Is it > perfect, of course not, but I'd venture to say that there is no perfect > device, just a best fit. For many people that will be an iPhone. Some > people will want it to be a best fit, and fewer still will recognize that it > can't be a best fit for their needs. I'm really glad you have a phone that > perfectly fits your usage needs. Is there any reason to condescend to > someone who has also found one that meets their needs, but it just happens > to be different? > > </rant> > > > > Regards > > Jonathan > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Christopher J. Bosak < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll keep my BlackJack II with WM 6.1, sync'd with Exchange. > No silly tools to configure. Just works. > > > Christopher J. Bosak > Vector Company > c. 847.603.4673 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue." > - B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 16:03 hrs > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > See how long it takes you to create a calendar appointment and invite 3 > users on that touch ;) > > -Troy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:57 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > Funny – I got my iPod touch set up to sync with my Exchange server and get > e-mail, calendar and contacts pretty quickly. Took almost twice as long to > get a Blackberry Curve to ONLY get e-mail. J > > > > Ben M. Schorr > Chief Executive Officer > ______________________________________________ > Roland Schorr & Tower > www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:47 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > > > One more reason Blackberries rule! > John W. Cook > Systems Administrator > Partnership For Strong Families > > ________________________________ > > From: Bob Fronk > To: NT System Admin Issues > Sent: Wed Sep 17 15:47:08 2008 > Subject: RE: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > Apple support says the "update server is down…. > > > > So why the *&*% did it offer to upgrade the (&(*(*&#$ software if the > (&^$%^*# server is (&(*&#$ down…. > > > > Bob Fronk > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:01 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > > > I am getting ready to call them…. > > > > No… I don't know what it had on it. Have not been keeping up with the > iphone hype…. > > > > Bob Fronk > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > From: Andrew Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:56 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > > > It took about 30 minutes for me. I've never interrupted an Apple update to > the iPhone, but once did while jailbreaking my original iPhone (fortunately > it wasn't bricked). If it's still going in another 20-30 minutes, I'd > definitely give Apple a call (supposedly their phone support is good). > > > > Incidentally, do you know what the original firmware that was installed? > 2.0? 2.0.1? 2.0.2? > > > > Andrew Greene > > IS Technician / Webmaster > > City of Anderson > > > > From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:41 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > > > I connected it and opened iTunes and activated. Then it said an update was > available and I hesitantly allowed the update. Now I am nervous that I > should have just left it alone. > > > > 1 hour 20 mins now….. still on "restoring iPhone software > > > > Bob Fronk > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > From: Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:34 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > > > It's Apple. As soon as Steve Jobs receives confirmation that your soul is > in this secure storage lot, then it will finish. Not before then. > > > > Christopher J. Bosak > > Vector Company > > c. 847.603.4673 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "You need to install an RTFM Interface, due to an LBNC issue." > > - B.O.F.H. (Merged 2 into 1) - Me > > > > From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 13:26 hrs > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: OT: iphone update - how long does it take? > > > > I just bought my son an iphone. Before giving it to him I am running the > 2.1 update. > > > > So just how long does this update take? There is no music or apps on the > iPhone yet. Going on 1 hour now….. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Bob Fronk > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or > attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), > confidential and/or privileged material. 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