Just to reiterate.  It is *not* necessary to use VCB with all 3rd party
backup products for VMWare.  Veeam and vRanger both have the option to
do network backups.

The benefit of VCB is that your proxy is hooked straight into the LUNs
and there are almost no resources used on the ESX hosts.  As others have
mentioned, the problem comes in when backing up databases such as SQL
and Exchange.  You have to quiesce the OS and databases somehow or all
you'll get are 'crash-consistent' backups that may or may not be useful.

I'm using vRanger 3.X + VCB and freezing the databases with the VSS
support builtin to the ESX 3.5 U4 VMWare tools. With vRanger you have to
be very careful with how to set this up, and I received excellent
guidance from their support team.

So far I've restored a couple of VMs with SQL databases and everything's
been fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: mse...@ont.com [mailto:mse...@ont.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: VMWare tools

Yes, all third party products use VCB, however, VCB by itself is a
little
more difficult to setup. The third party product eliminates having to do
all of the custom scripting. 

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:56:10 -0400
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: VMWare tools


vRanger uses VCB.  IIRC, all third party backup solutions for VM's
require
VCB.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM, mse...@ont.com <mse...@ont.com> wrote:

> You can use VCB or third party backup solution such as vRanger. The
key is
> what are your backup needs and budget. VCB works in conjuction with
third
> party products to do full VMDK and file level backups. The key is if
you
> need your VM nees quiesed before snapshot. I believe VCB alone may not
do
> this. Plus with VCB alone you will have to setup backup scripts
manually.
> The best solution if your budget allows is a third party solution
installed
> on a backup proxy.
>
> Mike
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:01:27 -0700
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: VMWare tools
>
>
>  I've been using ESXi 3.5 for about six months and I have run up on a
need
> that is not covered in the free hypervisor.  So, as any industrious
sole
> might, I went to the VMware website to see what products might suit my
> needs. And Viola!  There I discovered that the marketing folks at
VMware
> are
> sadists probably hired from the microsoft licensing team.
>
> So what I am polling about here is this:  What are the essential tools
for
> managing VMware virtual servers?
>
> What I need is pretty simple.  I just want to make backups of my
servers
> that I can restore to a different host without shutting them down or
at
the
> very least by a script that I can run on Saturday nights.  I don't
> necessarily need to have vmotion especially since the products that
include
> it are more than my total server hardware budget.
>
> Are there less expensive tools from other publishers that I should
check
> out?  The VMware stuff is a little outside my budget as far as I can
divine
> from their website.
>
> Any advice is appreciated,
>
> Bill
>
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