How very 2001 of them. Are they also unsure of those new fangled SAN's everyone keeps talking about?
Actually I had one of the Development Manager here tell me that SQL Server on a VM was 30% slower than on a comparable physical machine. I asked him to provide supporting evidence of said statement. I'm still waiting for his response a month later...... In the meantime I'm getting ready to move our SQL cluster off of a couple of blades and into vSphere VMs. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:56 AM, David Lum <david....@nwea.org> wrote: > +1 > > > > We have developers HERE that insist on using physical machines because of > the unknown a VM brings to them….is it really too much to ask for a > programmer to understand the generalities of a VM? > > > > Dave > > > > *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:45 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Small server > > > > Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. > > > > I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are > running the app in VMs. > > > > *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker> > *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* > * * > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't > supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they > still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In > one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was > a VM. > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich < > jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > > Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that > TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them > and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be > better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or > buy a physical server. :-( > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Small server > > And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your > definition of "Software RAID"? > > Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) > ...or... > Inexpensive "Host RAID"? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap > RAID > cards. (Mostly software) > > If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at > all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did > have > was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech > community of MS's RAIDs. > > The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience > with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID > 1. > The recent "Matrix RAID" chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the > overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard > drive > speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a "small > server" like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. > > But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go > for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all > depends on what you're willing to spend. > > Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over > everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. > > > --Matt Ross > Ephrata School District > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Erik Goldoff > [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] > Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 > 07:19:00 -0700 > Subject: Re: Small server > > > > curious, why do you shun SATA ? > > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr <cluster...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware > > RAID1 > > > with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the > redundancy. > > No > > > software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Aldrich" < > > > jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM > > > Subject: RE: Small server > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper > > > Central. > > > > > > Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of > > > running > > > Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a > > small > > > DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over > the > > > network (via "client" software loaded on their machine) The machine > that's > > > currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with > 2 > > > Gig > > > of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a > > > single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. > > > Cut/paste from the system requirements document: > > > 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte > > > Free disk space. > > > > > > As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated > in > a > > > LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a > support > > > engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but > that's > > > not supported, as XP is not a "server" O/S, which is required for > multiple > > > clients accessing the machine at one time. > > > > > > Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM > > > > > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: Small server > > > > > > > > Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. > > > > > > Therefore the answer is: maybe. > > > > > > -sc > > > > > > > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > Subject: Small server > > > > > > I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so > I > > > can > > > have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at > Dell's > > > Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, > > > unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a > Hardware > > > RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? > > > > > > Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? 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