Meh? Not many companies survive that for very long. That's a fairly "stick your head in the sand" approach, and I'm not comfortable with that.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:49, Steven M. Caesare <scaes...@caesare.com> wrote: > Meh, I know of many SMB's that have been out of commission or had troubling > issue for days/weeks at at ime simply because they generally can't (or don't) > pay the costs and or attention necessary to have the support/parts/personnel > available to deal with issues. > > -sc > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:48 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Summary of the Amazon EC2 and Amazon RDS Service >> Disruption >> >> Indeed. But, the market is touting that the cloud is especially suitable for >> SMBs, and the large/complex failures that Amazon suffered are not normally >> experienced in those environments. The SMB market is where I live, and by >> going to the cloud I would subject my company to a risk for which I don't see >> a good, or indeed any, mitigation. >> >> Hence the question: What's the mitigation for a downed cloud? >> >> >> Kurt >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:39, Steven M. Caesare <scaes...@caesare.com> >> wrote: >> > Not all outages are simple failed component swaps. >> > >> > As a matter of fact, those tend to be the simple issues. The complex ones >> often involve human error, or unanticipated system interactions and/or >> cascading events, as in the case with this recent AWS event. As ASB points >> out, those can (and do) happen in any datacenter, regardless if it's yours, >> or >> in the cloud. >> > >> > -sc >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> >> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:37 PM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> Subject: Re: Summary of the Amazon EC2 and Amazon RDS Service >> >> Disruption >> >> >> >> Where's my 4 hour response time when the service fails? >> >> >> >> I can get a new mobo or hard drive, router or switch when I call the >> >> vendor, or I can even pre-order one and have it on the shelf if it's >> >> that critical - where's the new cloud when the current one is down? >> >> >> >> Is there high availability between cloud vendors - or do you have >> >> some other mitigation strategy in mind? >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 09:32, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > "The Cloud" is already ready for production. >> >> > Hosted Data Centers, which is a concept we are all acquainted with, >> >> > are not immune to failures either. >> >> > Failures happen. Just make sure your entire mitigation plan is not >> >> > "the vendor's got it". >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ASB (Professional Bio) >> >> > Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Lesson: Large distributed systems management is hard. >> >> >> >> >> >> That's a really good read. >> >> >> >> >> >> I think after three or four more large scale problems like that, >> >> >> some clouds might be ready for production. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 06:03, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > http://aws.amazon.com/message/65648/ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > This is a very good read... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent from my Motorola Droid >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! >> >> >> > ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE- >> Enterprise/> >> >> >> > ~ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > --- >> >> >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> >> >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> > >> >> > --- >> >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >> >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> --- >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- >> >> software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to >> >> listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > >> > >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >> > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> > >> > --- >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- >> software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
