If introspection returns any other user data beyond what is strictly required 
to validate the token based solely on possession of the public part it would be 
a mistake. 

     On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:13 AM, "Richer, Justin P." 
<jric...@mitre.org> wrote:
   

 That's all fine -- it's all going over TLS anyway (RS->AS) just like the 
original token fetch by the client (C->AS). Doesn't mean you need TLS *into* 
the RS (C->RS) with a good PoP token. 
Can you explain how this is related to "act on behalf of"? I don't see any 
connection.
 -- Justin
On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Bill Mills <wmills_92...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fetching the public key for a token might be fine, but what if the 
introspection endpoint returns the symmetric key?  Data about the user?  Where 
does this blur the line between this and "act on behalf of"?

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:05 AM, "Richer, Justin P." <jric...@mitre.org> 
wrote:


The call to introspection has a TLS requirement, but the call to the RS 
wouldn't necessarily have that requirement. The signature and the token 
identifier are two different things. The identifier doesn't do an attacker any 
good on its own without the verifiable signature that's associated with it and 
the request. What I'm saying is that you introspect the identifier and get back 
something that lets you, the RS, check the signature.
 -- Justin
On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Bill Mills <wmills_92...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"However, I think it's very clear how PoP tokens would work. ..."
I don't know if that's true.  POP tokens (as yet to be fully defined) would 
then also have a TLS or transport security requirement unless there is token 
introspection client auth in play I think.  Otherwise I can as an attacker take 
that toklen and get info about it that might be useful, and I don't think 
that's what we want.
-bill








   
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