Hey all So I am back in OSGeo land as I have finished up a mad month on my other volunteer project. Bad that they coincide with each other... I will get my head around above and come back to you on it. Thanks for your work on this. Cheers Em
On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 2:57 PM John Bryant <johnwbry...@gmail.com> wrote: > Andrew, thanks a lot for continuing to push this forward. It has been a > couple of months since I last looked at this, and I haven't really had a > detailed look at the SIG concept yet. > > I'm 'out of the office' for the next few days, but would be happy to join > in this discussion when I get back, and have a proper chance to refresh my > memory and get up to speed on SIGs. > > One brief thought, it feels like it would be good to consider a free (or > very inexpensive) tier of membership. I suspect many of us can't justify > (or can't afford) to spend much, but could contribute in other ways. > > Cheers > John > > On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 9:46 am Andrew Jeffrey, <aljeffre...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Adam, >> >> Thanks for the feedback. >> >> I agree the SIG shouldn't bring about any duplication of the processes >> that the OO currently does. A SIG as defined in the guidelines >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U3R3wSHR9jo9VgywmAQqKswrylwjxw9-/edit> >> should be "enabling OSGeo Oceania members to interact, share knowledge, >> organise events, and collaborate on a selected, targeted topic within the >> scope of OSGeo Oceania". So a SIG should be complementary to the OO >> function and allow the interested community members to drive engagement in >> that area without the OO board having to do it all. Like you say though, >> open communication between the SIG and the OO board is key in making sure >> there is no overlap being introduced. Also to be clear the SIG isn’t >> seeking “sponsorship” as such but we do want to be able to collect a >> membership fee for people/orgs wanting to be involved, allowing them to >> fund items that maybe other OO members don’t see as important. I don’t see >> this taking away from conference sponsorship and this idea will ultimately >> sink or swim depending on whether the SIG members have an appetite to fund >> the items in our scope. >> >> As for the conflict of interest, to be honest I don't know the answer in >> regards to how that should be dealt with. I think we need to add something >> in the charter, would removing those people from the proposal and voting >> process be enough? How does OO deal with this? I don’t want to rule local >> devs out of working on this because they belong to the group, but we also >> don’t want to become the entry point to company XYZ. >> >> Thanks for the feedback. >> >> Andrew >> >> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:35 AM Adam Steer <adam.d.st...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Andrew and all the QGIS SIG proposers >>> >>> Thanks, I think this is a perfect use of OSGeo Oceania as a backing >>> organisation :) >>> >>> My only reservation with any SIG proposal is that effort isn't >>> duplicated about events and marketing, and also that a funding from a >>> small pool of interested parties (relative to other parts of the >>> world) is able to be effectively spread among the whole community. For >>> an example it would be a bit awry to see a SIG gather a heap of >>> funding at the expense of conference sponsorships. I guess in that >>> case the SIG could also sponsor conferences? This goes the other way >>> too - the existence of a well connected SIG makes it easier for OO to >>> fund a QGIS feature (for example) if it decides to do so. >>> >>> I think clear, constant and open communication between OO and the SIG >>> will make those concerns go away. >>> >>> In writing this I did work my thoughts through to a serious question: >>> How will the SIG deal with conflicts of interest? A stated aim of the >>> SIG is to fund development, what will the SIG do if all the key QGIS >>> developers in the region are also in the group of people making >>> decisions about buying developer time? >>> >>> My only comment on the charter itself is that if you want, you can >>> link to the existing Berlin Code of Conduct: >>> https://berlincodeofconduct.org/ - with which the upcoming OO CoC >>> should be 100% compatible. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 04:37, Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffre...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi All, >>> > >>> > The OSGeo Oceania board has approved an initiative for members to form >>> Special Interest Groups (SIGs) within the OO community. >>> > >>> > A SIG is a way for community members to collaborate around common >>> interests which in this case is QGIS. >>> > >>> > In establishing a SIG, the OO board requires that the group proposing >>> the SIG put forward a charter which outlines the Aim and Scope under which >>> the SIG will operate. >>> > >>> > Myself, Emma Hain, John Bryant, Nathan Woodrow and Nyall Dawson would >>> like to start a QGIS SIG which can be used to benefit QGIS users in our >>> community. To get things started we have come up with a charter that we >>> would like to make available for community consultation. As this charter >>> currently reflects our input we would like to put this out for discussion >>> to see if what we are proposing is on the right path for the community. At >>> the moment everyone with the link below has "comment" permissions, but >>> "edit" permissions can be granted on request if you would like to get more >>> involved and you're welcome to do so. >>> > >>> > >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing >>> > >>> > I also just want to be upfront that this SIG is proposing that there >>> be a membership fee associated with the group. The funds raised by the >>> membership will be stored with the OO org and then used by the SIG on items >>> as scoped out in the charter. The idea with the membership is not to "make >>> money" but to pool our small contributions to give us better "buying power" >>> for lack of a better term. As a SIG within the OO org we can participate in >>> crowdfunding campaigns, engage a dev to develop a feature important to us >>> but might not be recognised as important to the larger QGIS project, or >>> engage a trainer to provide professional development via Zoom, the types of >>> things that are hard to do as individuals or as a user group with no funds >>> etc. The membership arrangement also allows us to offer membership to >>> organisations which will become a way for them to support QGIS and their >>> local QGIS community. Ideally, this is where a majority of the funds would >>> come from as we don't want an individual to be excluded due to a "fee", >>> which is also covered in the charter. I'm available as I'm sure the other >>> proposers are to discuss the intention of this further and in the open on >>> this list. >>> > >>> > Any questions feel free to ask or if you prefer to comment on the >>> charter that is fine too. >>> > >>> > I look forward to discussing this with you. >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > Andrew >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "QGIS Australia User Group" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to australian-qgis-user-group+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> > To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/australian-qgis-user-group/CADTxF6bV6OicKcLveZsexfQ_gLULoFTpATV3iyjxWBswRyM_iA%40mail.gmail.com >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "QGIS Australia User Group" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to australian-qgis-user-group+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/australian-qgis-user-group/CAFORoyh3xiAcvRrAWbNK%3DrH%2B0-DUhq1GZnVp08t8HX90R9tdKA%40mail.gmail.com >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "QGIS Australia User Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to australian-qgis-user-group+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/australian-qgis-user-group/CADTxF6ZUvSgCSuzn-ikrGNAKBmaQ5Mc84uCTbOeLSLqRtjfzew%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/australian-qgis-user-group/CADTxF6ZUvSgCSuzn-ikrGNAKBmaQ5Mc84uCTbOeLSLqRtjfzew%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > _______________________________________________ > Oceania mailing list > Oceania@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/oceania >
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