Conor, I like your way of looking at it -
makes a lot of sense. The only thing is getting the exposure to the different
languages so as to add them as keywords to the CV. Dabbling at home doesn't
count if they insist on commercial experience in X language, so it's a
matter of taking every opportunity to get exposure to something new - the
way I work anyway.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
Cheers
Dave Jollie
Developer, TOWER NZ IT
(: 09 368 4259
Ê: 09 306 6801
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.: 46 Parnell Rd, Parnell, Auckland
-----Original Message-----
From: Boyd, Conor
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003
9:12AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
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Subject: RE: [DUG-OFFTOPIC]: What
is the perception of Delphi out there?
It maybe depends on what way somebody looks at
themselves as well, since you've got to sell yourself for any potential job?
I'd consider myself an OO
developer/engineer/consultant first and foremost, and then the language becomes
a secondary issue. I write my CV/resume with that in mind. It maybe also helps
me to have a reasonable range of languages (Delphi, Java, VB6, VB.NET & C#)
as keywords in my CV as well.
IMHO it's mainly syntax that differentiates between
Java & C#, and maybe Delphi too. Having a rough idea about the contents of
the class libraries for each language helps, and after that, it's really up to
me to decide on the trade-off between a particular job on offer and the
remuneration.
Maybe having skills such as UML or OOA&D, or
knowledge of things like Design Patterns & Unit Testing, etc helps reduce
the influence that knowledge of a particular language maybe has on the salary
on offer?
Cheers,
Conor
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bertram
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 8:35
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Subject: RE: [DUG-OFFTOPIC]: What
is the perception of Delphi out there?
From our
experience (we are doing Delphi / Java / C# / C / Open Road development) there
are more competent Java programmers in the market than Delphi, but they ask a
lot more. As C# is still in its infancy there are few experienced
developers around, but a lot of wannabes.
We are
only using C# as Delphi.Net is still 6 months away - I don't see any real
advantage in the language over Delphi yet apart from the .Net access and good
training resources.
One of
the main issues of Java is that there are many subsets - Swing, servelets, JSP,
J2EE, .... and we find many candidates don't have relevant experience.
There
seems to be a general shift to Java as the teaching language of choice with a
couple of notable exceptions teaching in Delphi. A few institutions still
teach in C++.
The
employment agencies put an intermediate Delphi programmer about $45K and Java
& C# $55K, though I have little faith in their figures. I
suspect that they devalue Delphi candidates due to the small number of Delphi
software houses, but this may change with the flood of Java expertise that
seems to be coming from Europe and the US.
Personally
I still favour Delphi as the language of choice, but I am biased.
-----Original Message-----
From:
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 6:46
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Subject: [DUG-OFFTOPIC]: What is
the perception of Delphi out there?
Hi
The .net email list has just had a
discussion on VB.NET versus C# and the merits of each. An interesting comment
was that the perception (by those employing) is that C# programmers are better
trained, better programmers and that VB is a toy language. The result is that
C# programmers get paid more than vb.net programmers even though both languages
can do essentially the same things. Perception is everything when it comes to
dollars in the bank.
My question - what is the perception
of Delphi in the market place? How do employers rate it when compared to other
languages? And does it pay better or worse than other languages? Will Octane
improve this - would hope so. I've personally had the impression that Delphi is
not widely used in NZ and that the sites are few and far between - is this a
correct perception - are Delphi programmers in the minority when compared to
Java, c# and vb.net? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Sometimes specialization
in something used less, can pay more (if the work is around), as there are less
people competing for the work.
Any thoughts?
Dave Jollie
Developer, TOWER NZ IT
(: 09 368 4259
J: 09 306 6801
*: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.: 46 Parnell Rd,
Parnell, Auckland
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