Bob, Would you be willing to do the first draft for the TSCs consideration?
Ed On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Phil Robb <pr...@linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hi Ed and Bob: > > Given that the Subcommittees we are talking about are technical > subcommittees serving at the pleasure of the TSC, I suggest the TSC own > setting the parameters for voting and company representation within these > subcommittees. The TSC could punt to the Governing Board if they can't > come to consensus, but otherwise, I suggest it stay within the purview of > the TSC. > > Best, > > Phil. > > On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Ed Warnicke <hagb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> Your suggestion is goodness :) Perhaps the TSC should draft something to >> propose to the board to give them a good starting point? >> >> On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Bob Monkman <bob.monk...@arm.com> wrote: >> >>> Phil, et al, >>> >>> I would like to echo Ed’s observation here regarding the >>> Charter. >>> >>> In Section 3.b (GB) and Section 4.a.iii (TSC), specific >>> care is taken to tightly limit the voting influence of any one Member >>> Company/Related Companies, for good reason, I would say. >>> >>> >>> >>> While I did not see it explicitly stated for >>> subcommittees, one would hope that same care is taken to ensure to ensure >>> that no one company or group of companies have undue voting influence over >>> the decisions made. It also should not matter how quickly one gets ones >>> participants “on the list/at the available seats at the table”. >>> >>> >>> >>> To my mind, there is a distinction between encouraging >>> broad participation (we all know of cases where we wish we had more >>> participants) and ensuring equity wrt to voting decisions. >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe the Governing Board should immediately consider >>> defining the voting representation parameters for all subcommittees, >>> putting in place limits of how many votes Company/Related Companies can >>> have, and consider whether any votes done needed to be cancelled and redone >>> under more equitable guidelines. >>> >>> >>> >>> One opinion…comments welcome, >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert (Bob) Monkman >>> >>> Networking Software Strategy & Ecosystem Programs >>> >>> ARM >>> >>> 150 Rose Orchard Way >>> >>> San Jose, Ca 95134 >>> >>> M: +1.510.676.5490 <(510)%20676-5490> >>> >>> Skype: robert.monkman >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* onap-tsc-boun...@lists.onap.org [mailto:onap-tsc-bounces@lists >>> .onap.org] *On Behalf Of *Ed Warnicke >>> *Sent:* Friday, July 7, 2017 8:00 AM >>> *To:* Lingli Deng <denglin...@chinamobile.com> >>> *Cc:* onap-tsc <onap-tsc@lists.onap.org> >>> *Subject:* Re: [onap-tsc] Irregularities in the Use Case Subcommittee >>> Chair Election >>> >>> >>> >>> Thinking for the last few days around these issues. I think we have a >>> flaw in our governance around subcommittees. If you look at the charter: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Lingli Deng <denglin...@chinamobile.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Phil and all, >>> >>> >>> >>> It is a pity that we did not have time to discuss this issue yesterday >>> on the TSC call. >>> >>> >>> >>> As for the typo in the call for nomination, I agree that this is minor >>> and have no impact to the election, as neither of the nominees are coming >>> from open labs subcommittee, and they are clearly stating their interest in >>> running for Usecase subcommittee. >>> >>> >>> >>> But regarding the inconsistent handling of new members of the Use Case >>> Subcommittee during the election time-frame, I find it not acceptable and >>> would like to ask Kenny to remove them in order to clear the result of the >>> election, and strongly suggest to consider publish these five extra voters >>> as a warning. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Lingli >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* onap-tsc-boun...@lists.onap.org [mailto:onap-tsc-bounces@lists >>> .onap.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Robb >>> *Sent:* 2017年7月6日 5:44 >>> *To:* onap-tsc <onap-tsc@lists.onap.org> >>> *Subject:* [onap-tsc] Irregularities in the Use Case Subcommittee Chair >>> Election >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello ONAP TSC: >>> >>> >>> >>> The Use Case Subcommittee Chairperson election has just recently >>> completed. However, there have been several irregularities/inconsistencies >>> in the implementation of this election that warrants your attention. In >>> particular: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) Inconsistent handling of new members of the Use Case Subcommittee >>> during the election time-frame. >>> >>> There are no guidelines in the TSC Charter, nor in the call for >>> nominations/election for this vote, indicating if individuals can add >>> themselves to the Use Case Subcommittee during the Chairperson voting, and >>> be allowed to vote. >>> >>> a) 64 individuals were members of the Use Case Subcommittee when the >>> voting began. They were invited to vote. >>> >>> b) Currently (at the end of the voting period), there are 83 members of >>> the subcommittee, hence 19 people were added during the voting timeframe >>> >>> c) Of those new 19 members, 5 asked to be added to the vote, and only >>> those 5 were added. The other 14 new members were not invited to vote in >>> the election. Hence the addition of new members was done inconsistently >>> for this vote. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2) No guidelines on company participation within a sub-committee. >>> >>> While this subcommittees does not mandate, but rather advise the TSC on >>> use-case selection/definition for a given release, we can expect the >>> subcommittee to perform votes to get a clear resolve on what the advice to >>> the TSC should be. While we want participation to be as open as possible >>> in this subcommittee, we also want to ensure that the advice rendered is >>> representative of the ONAP community as a whole and is not biased toward >>> one, or a small group of participating organizations. Currently, the >>> membership breakdown of Use Case Subcommittee participants looks like this: >>> >>> amdocs.com 17 >>> >>> att.com 12 >>> >>> boco.com.cn 6 >>> >>> chinamobile.com 9 >>> >>> chinatelecom.cn 1 >>> >>> ericsson.com 1 >>> >>> gigaspaces.com 4 >>> >>> gmail.com 1 >>> >>> huawei.com 8 >>> >>> intel.com 1 >>> >>> juniper.net 1 >>> >>> nokia.com 3 >>> >>> orange.com 3 >>> >>> raisecom.com 2 >>> >>> vmware.com 4 >>> >>> zte.com.cn 10 >>> >>> As you can see, of the 16 companies participating, the top 5 companies >>> with the most participants (Amdocs, AT&T, China Mobile, Huawei and ZTE) >>> hold 66% of the vote. I believe the TSC may want to provide further >>> guidelines to ensure a more equal voting distribution across subcommittee >>> membership >>> >>> >>> >>> 3) Typo/Error made on initial invitation to self-nominate for the Use >>> Case Subcommittee Chairperson position. This issue is relatively small, >>> but may have caused some confusion for some potential candidates. The >>> original email (located here: https://lists.onap.org/mailma >>> n/private/onap-usecasesub/2017-June/000012.html) calling for >>> self-nominations stated that "Any member of the Open Lab Subcommittee may >>> run for this position". Some members of the Use Case Subcommittee may have >>> been confused by that statement and chose not to self-nominate, and/or vote >>> during this election. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would like to get feedback from the TSC during the meeting tomorrow to >>> see if members feel that refinement is needed in populating subcommittees >>> and/or holding votes/elections. Based on the outcome of that discussion, >>> and the other inconsistencies documented above, we may then want to provide >>> guidance to the Use Case Subcommittee in how to treat the outcome of this >>> specific election. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks in advance for your input on this matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> Phil. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Phil Robb >>> >>> Executive Director, OpenDaylight Project >>> >>> VP Operations - Networking & Orchestration, The Linux Foundation >>> >>> (O) 970-229-5949 <(970)%20229-5949> >>> >>> (M) 970-420-4292 <(970)%20420-4292> >>> >>> Skype: Phil.Robb >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ONAP-TSC mailing list >>> ONAP-TSC@lists.onap.org >>> https://lists.onap.org/mailman/listinfo/onap-tsc >>> >>> >>> IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are >>> confidential and may also be privileged. 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