On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi Clayton, > > I am separating into two sub-topics: > > (1) IDL Generation. > > Thanks for the link to what the Wiki uses to create a short hand for various > IDL links. This points out a very important topic that needs to be > co-ordinated. How do those the IDL Pages get generated. This needs to be > co-ordinated with the build. > > Who knows about the "UNOIDL - that is, the Unified Network Object Interface > Description Language compiler, which produces the content of api.oo.o, and > the input files."? > > (2) MediaWiki vs. Confluence vs. MoinMoin vs. Apache CMS > > There are several issues. > > (a) A MediaWiki at AOOo is the easiest solution for the project - short-term > - most of the work is export/import. > > (b) A MediaWiki is not currently supported by Apache Infrastructure. > MediaWiki Infra would need to be built. > > (c) There are a number of special extensions being used in MediaWIki with > developers here who can support it. > > (d) For Confluence extensions / emulating the extensions that MW uses will be > a learning curve. > > (e) Export requires co-operation with current OOo wiki admins. Confluence may > require more. >
Another factor is the preservation of external links, including deep links into the OOo website. With MediaWiki we should be able to preserve the URL's or at least allow a trivial rewrite rule for redirections. With Confluence I think we would have a harder time. > If a MediaWiki is what people want then we'll need to have several people who > will be dedicated to helping Infrastructure support it. Please join the > infrastructure-dev list and ask. Please share your contacts with the > MediaWiki admins here so that others who may want to explore the convertor > can make progress. If we have enough volunteers we can start on both and > abandon one if one becomes clearly better. > > Regards, > Dave > > On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:13 AM, C wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 21:16, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> On Jul 3, 2011, at 11:16 AM, C wrote: >>>> - PDF and ODT export. Confluence can do PDF, but cannot do ODT.. >>>> only MS Word DOC format (a significant issue in my view for an OOo >>>> Wiki... a bit sad and embarassing that we'd only be able to export a >>>> proprietary document format, and not the primary doc format that OOo >>>> is known for). Export to PDF and ODT is something a lot of people use >>>> for the OOo Docs - especially the Basic and Developer's Guides. >>> >>> I understand the need for ODT export. Tell us about the MediaWiki extension >>> that is being used, is it part of OOo or is it a third party extension? >> >> It's a MediaWiki extension, created by PediaPress - >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection >> >> >>>> - IDL Tags - custom (but simple) MW extension that creates links to >>>> the IDL library >>> >>> Do you mean these links: >>> >>> http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/awt/XTopWindowListener.html >>> >>> We will need to rewrite these anyway. Tell me how these are marked up in >>> MediaWiki. >>> >>> Is the IDL reference generated from the source code? We'll need to get into >>> that workflow too. >> >> The IDL Extension is all documented here - including the full source >> of the extension itself, and how it's implemented/used within the Wiki >> text: >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Wiki_maintenance/IDLTagExtension >> >> >>> No doubt this is a challenge in Confluence - it likes a flat hierarchy. >>> >>> If a MoinMoin Wiki is a better fit for conversion from MediaWiki we can >>> certainly try it. >> >> I've never done a lot with MoinMoin, so can't really comment on that >> one. The book-like hierarchy in the existing MediaWiki is created by >> a combination of sub-pages and the TOC navigation. It is not really >> the perfect implementation, but it works and keeps things at least >> somewhat "book-like".... makes it possible to generate PDF books, and >> provides a book-like navigation or flow through a topic. The other >> choice, and something I experimented with, is huge monster long pages >> with entire chapters in a single Wiki page. This is a nightmare to >> try and edit and maintain. >> >> >> C. >> -- >> Clayton Cornell ccorn...@openoffice.org >> OpenOffice.org Documentation Project co-lead > >
