On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, drew <d...@baseanswers.com> wrote: > On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 10:35 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:26 AM, drew <d...@baseanswers.com> wrote: >> > On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 10:05 -0400, drew wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 07:44 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:50 PM, drew <d...@baseanswers.com> wrote: >> >> > > On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 03:47 +0200, Raphael Bircher wrote: >> >> > >> Am 12.04.12 03:40, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher >> >> > >> > <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> Rob, >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> You are missing that Kay changed the subject and then had a back >> >> > >> >> and forth with Marcus to solve this trouble. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > And the end result is that the page still says nothing about >> >> > >> > Apache, >> >> > >> > incubation or how to get involved with the project? >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > I dunno about you, but I think we still have a problem. >> >> > >> The Feed is from the http://www.oooforum.dk/ so it's not maintained >> >> > >> by >> >> > >> OOo. I think we have no danish people here atm who can make a >> >> > >> update. I >> >> > >> propose to delete this feed on the dk site to avoid confusion. The >> >> > >> update from the site is a different storry. but this problem exist on >> >> > >> the moast NLC pages >> >> > >> >> >> > > Hi Raphael >> >> > > >> >> > > Well, I wouldn't necessarily go along with that idea. >> >> > > I'd say http://www.oooforum.dk/ is every bit as valid a community >> >> > > resource as the user services forums every were or are. >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > I'd go with something in the middle. ooforum.dk is a resource. So we >> >> > should have a link to it. But it should not have its contents >> >> > imported wholesale into a top, central position of the webpage, as if >> >> > it were the voice of the AOO project. Its current prominence gives it >> >> > the appearance of official notifications from the project, which they >> >> > are not. That, combined with the total lack of actual project project >> >> > notifications, would confuse users. >> >> > >> >> > > They are acting at that forum in all material respects the same as the >> >> > > user services forums, the only difference being a somewhat more >> >> > > prominent LibO image (not an official one btw). >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > I have no problem with the work they are doing on their own forums. >> >> > The issue is with the user-facing Danish page at openoffice.org. That >> >> > page does not seem to be maintained at all, which is the concern that >> >> > Raphael and I are pointing out. >> >> > >> >> > > So, does the sub-domain need upkeep - I guess, but I can see no reason >> >> > > to remove the feed from that forum. >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > If no one steps forward to maintain that page (and the Norwegian one) >> >> > I'll find translators to translate the generic page into those >> >> > languages, so we have the basics at least covered for users. >> >> >> >> And I will remove the pages from the website - if there is no community >> >> to back it up they should not be there. This is now a community project >> >> not a corporate project yes? >> > >> > Speaking of which I would also remove, would encourage removal of, the >> > az sub-domain and the by sub-domain as it seems there is no maintenance >> > on the pages and what links are there, for instance to an external >> > repository, are now dead. >> > >> > In the specific case of the Danes and Norwegians - I would recommend >> > that we talk with them, using what seems like the only active channel >> > right now and that is their web forums. I don't now maybe they will tell >> > this project to go fly a kite, I rather doubt it, but maybe, you know >> > those Norwegians they are a hot blooded bunch *chuckling*..in which case >> > then sure we make changes to the page that make sense. >> > >> >> You are getting into group and identity politics. I'm not going >> there. I don't care about "Danes" and "Norwegians" in the abstract. >> If any single Dane wants to come here and volunteer to update that >> page, then to me he is as good as the entire nation. I'm not giving >> any presumption of greater authority to any other body of Danes that >> is not volunteering for this project. Also, if a non-Dane who speaks >> Danish fluently volunteers to update the page, then I am fine with >> that as well. >> >> That said, if you want to talk to anyone and encourage Danes to >> volunteer here, then great. No one is stopping you. Whatever Danes >> you find, plus whatever I find, will by definition be the community of >> volunteers who maintain that page. > > Whatever dude. > > Here is the point - in these two cases there is obviously some spark of > the old extended community still alive. So we can act to either try and > encourage some of them to help here or we can act in a way to discourage > such. It's our choice. >
Honestly, I don't see the spark. Search their forums for "Apache" and you get two mentions, in passing, since this effort began. Search for "incubator" and you get zero hits. Search for "podling", again zero hits. Search for "AOO" and zero hits. Search for "snapshot" and zero hits. Search for incubator.apache.org, zero hits. Search for "ooo-dev" and zero hits. Search for "LibreOffice" and get 14,300 hits. Get the picture? Now it is entirely possible that in the last 9 months they had not heard of what we're doing at Apache or had any idea how they could get involved and did not hear anything useful about the AOO project, the testing, the Pootle effort, the 3.4 dev packs, the incubation process, etc. That is always possible, that they missed the press releases, the headline news coverage, the posts to the legacy OOo announce lists and NLC lists inviting them to participate. They could have missed all of this, in which case we should try one more time to penetrate the news blackout that apparently has enveloped Denmark. Of course, I'd be thrilled to be proven wrong in this case. -Rob > While there are other sub-domains for which it seems there is absolutely > no-one left. > > //drew > > >> >> -Rob >> >> > //drew >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> //drew >> >> >> >> > >> >> > -Rob >> >> > >> >> > > my opinion, >> >> > > >> >> > > //drew >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
