On 07/07/2012 09:42 AM, drew wrote:
On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 12:27 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:31 AM, drew <d...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 14:01 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
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This might need to be separated for what the agreement is when people
register/subscribe and provide information solicited to accomplish
that.
This seems like too broad an umbrella for what happens when folks
register versus what happens when accessing sites versus what happens
when sending an e-mail somewhere.
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It would be good to link to the ToU from any registration. But note
that we don't always have that access where it is a shared Apache
service, for example CWiki.
Nothing in the ToU speaks about emails, so that is red herring.
A red herring? I don't think so - why should it only be valid if already
there. The site references our mailing lists and certainly did, likely
still does, IMO a comment on the public nature of mailing lists is
really appropriate here.
The point is this: a user can contribute to the mailing list without
ever having visited the website. So posting ToU for the mailing list
on a website is not going to really have any legal or even advisory
effect. One thing that we could do is put ToU in the confirmation
note we send to new list subscribers. Or even a link to a
consolidated ToU on the website if that is how we do it.
In any case, most of the ToU is in the nature of a notice: we are
telling the user what will are doing, what we can do, and what we will
do under certainly conditions. The main exception, where we are
demanding something of the user, is if where we require a licence on
their contributions. So that is the one thing where we cannot be
casual. If we want to have an incoming licence on contributions that
really needs to be baked into registration systems, list
acknowledgement emails, etc.
Well, I agree that this is a notice - I still feel it would appropriate
to mention mailing list.
What I've done just now is simply to move your text verbatim to the wiki
- I'll add a paragraph for what I think is an apt way to address this.
Give a read to that, and if you or anyone else thinks it's just our of
place, well, that's why it's a white board, right ;-)
//drew
-Rob
I just did a very quick draft mock-up of a new TOU at:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Terms+of+Use
based on Dennis's original corrections at:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118518
IT still seems rather lengthy to me but...
and it needs some additional information (ref URLs) and in what state is
ASF "incorporated" or registered?
I agree with Drew that perhaps we should mention the mailing lists in
some way...
I will work on this more tomorrow sometime and perhaps we can actually
fix this.
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