On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 07/07/2012 09:42 AM, drew wrote: > >> On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 12:27 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:31 AM, drew <d...@baseanswers.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 14:01 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >>>>> >>>> >>> <snip> >>> >>> <orcmid> >>>>>> This might need to be separated for what the agreement is when >>>>>> people >>>>>> register/subscribe and provide information solicited to accomplish >>>>>> that. >>>>>> This seems like too broad an umbrella for what happens when folks >>>>>> register versus what happens when accessing sites versus what >>>>>> happens >>>>>> when sending an e-mail somewhere. >>>>>> </orcmid> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> It would be good to link to the ToU from any registration. But note >>>>> that we don't always have that access where it is a shared Apache >>>>> service, for example CWiki. >>>>> >>>>> Nothing in the ToU speaks about emails, so that is red herring. >>>>> >>>> >>>> A red herring? I don't think so - why should it only be valid if already >>>> there. The site references our mailing lists and certainly did, likely >>>> still does, IMO a comment on the public nature of mailing lists is >>>> really appropriate here. >>>> >>>> >>> The point is this: a user can contribute to the mailing list without >>> ever having visited the website. So posting ToU for the mailing list >>> on a website is not going to really have any legal or even advisory >>> effect. One thing that we could do is put ToU in the confirmation >>> note we send to new list subscribers. Or even a link to a >>> consolidated ToU on the website if that is how we do it. >>> >>> In any case, most of the ToU is in the nature of a notice: we are >>> telling the user what will are doing, what we can do, and what we will >>> do under certainly conditions. The main exception, where we are >>> demanding something of the user, is if where we require a licence on >>> their contributions. So that is the one thing where we cannot be >>> casual. If we want to have an incoming licence on contributions that >>> really needs to be baked into registration systems, list >>> acknowledgement emails, etc. >>> >> >> Well, I agree that this is a notice - I still feel it would appropriate >> to mention mailing list. >> >> What I've done just now is simply to move your text verbatim to the wiki >> - I'll add a paragraph for what I think is an apt way to address this. >> Give a read to that, and if you or anyone else thinks it's just our of >> place, well, that's why it's a white board, right ;-) >> >> >> //drew >> >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >> >> > > I just did a very quick draft mock-up of a new TOU at: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*** > DRAFT*+Terms+of+Use<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Terms+of+Use> > > based on Dennis's original corrections at: > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=118518<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118518> > > IT still seems rather lengthy to me but... > > and it needs some additional information (ref URLs) and in what state is > ASF "incorporated" or registered? > > I agree with Drew that perhaps we should mention the mailing lists in some > way... > > > > I will work on this more tomorrow sometime and perhaps we can actually fix > this. > oh boy...well duh on me...when trying to track down where people should go when they think their own copyright has been infringed upon, I came across this... http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/terms.html already on the incubator web side. Is there any reason we just can't replace the current "Terms on Use" on openoffice.org with a link to this? It looks pretty good to me. Again, no reference to mailing lists -- I'm assuming we only want to highlight them with respect to validity of information? I don't see any other reason to throw them in really. Anyway, having found this other link, I will delete my mockup on the wiki. No use confusing things further. > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > MzK > > "There's no crying in baseball!" > -- Jimmy Dugan (Tom Hanks), "A League of Their Own" > > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "I would rather have a donkey that takes me there than a horse that will not fare." -- Portuguese proverb
