Rob Weir wrote:
On Sep 22, 2012, at 7:43 PM, "Keith N. McKenna"
<keith.mcke...@comcast.net> wrote:

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
I am not clear what the lazy consensus is about.

Clearly, there is no restriction on anyone contributing to User
Guides for Apache OpenOffice on ODFAUthors, beyond the
terms/conventions/what-ever that apply to contributions there.

So I suppose what is being asked for is consensus that there
will not, at this time, be any separate effort inside of the
Apache OpenOffice project and the project will look to relying on
the ODFAuthors site for emergence of updated User Guides.
Contributions should be made there.

In other words, there won't be any forking of ODFAuthors work
into the project.  I assume that means avoidance of duplicate
effort as well.

I'm aligned with that direction.

- Dennis
First of all let me apologize if either my as yet limited
understanding of "The Apache Way" or my sometimes terse writing
style added to any confusion.


No worries; no problem. You are doing fine.   We're generally
oriented toward making it easy for volunteers to do non-controversial
things without additional process overhead.


As a process engineer I appreciate that; all overhead does is add to the cost with often minimal benefit. After a fairly decent night sleep and some further reflection I had though that it might be better to cancel the request for lazy consensus and just forge ahead.


In the present case (IMHO) the hard part will not be reaching
consensus on where to do the works. Harder will be agreeing on the
outline of tasks and finding volunteers to do the tasks.  One
approach that might help is to get enough structure developed for
the work that we can recruit more volunteers, perhaps via a project
blog post.

I agree that the nitty gritty of getting it done will be the more difficult part. I have some ideas that still need some fleshing out. A project blog post sounds like an interesting recruiting idea.


My intention was to seek lazy consensus o Scenario 2 rom the wiki
page as the preferred way to go for getting an updated Getting
Started Guide and or other documentation ready for the 3.5 release.
The main reason I did it was because there was Option 1 which was
to shelve it. It was in no way intended to cut off discussion of
where we should go where we go with documentation for AOO version 4
as that is a major release and has the potential for major changes
to the UI that may influence a re-evaluation of not only the
structure of the documentation but also the presentation of it.


I hope I have cleared up my intentions and again apologies or the
inadvertent ailure to clearly communicate.

-----Original Message----- From: Keith N. McKenna
[mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22,
2012 07:47 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [User
Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or
AOO

Keith N. McKenna wrote:
Greetings All;

In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I
have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on
the Plannig Wiki:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides+Revisted.


It offers 3 scenarios or the creation of the docs. I believe that we can
no longer put this issue aside.

Please take a look at the page and feel free to comment there
and on this list. Also feel free to add to or change any
content there.

Regards Keith N. McKenna
Based on the discussion in this thread and on the wiki page it
appears for the short term that Scenario 2 is the best way to go.
At this point I would like to ask for lazy consensus to use
ODFAuthors site and the 3.4 documents already there to create and
publish updated documentation. I will leave this open until
2012-09-26 at 05:45 UTC.

Regards Keith N. McKenna





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