Hi Pablo thank you very much for your detailed reply.
Great to have such a experienced web developer in the openEHR community. The current performance would make it cumbersome to use it in a productive environment, but it will be great as a prototyping and demonstrating tool. Clinicians can judge the value/completeness of archetypes and templates much better, if they see them as a working GUI. Your framework seems to be very suited for that. I will try to get a small template running locally on my computer sometime this week. I will report my experience back to the list. Maybe this helps to decide how the community can leverage your work.* @all: Is anybody else interested in this?* A couple of questions to start (Cave: Will possibly bug you with more questions in the process): - Does it matter what version of grails I use? - Can I use the in-memory DB HSQLDB for testing? Or should I set it up with MySQL. - By looking at your proprietary templates it seems you determine a root archetype (usually of type SECTION) and the included archetypes (each is either fully included --> 'includeAll="true"' or only a subset --> specified by one or several paths). Is this generally correct? Cheers -thilo 2010/11/30 pablo pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com> > Hi Thilo, > > What made you create a MVC/ORM framework (YUPP) similar to Grails instead > of just using Grails (as you did in your open-EHR-Gen framework). What are > the benefits besides that you don't need a servlet container to run it? > > > I started to work with PHP about 9 years ago. In 2004 I developed a small > CMS (SWP-CMS) . In order to make a better CMS I thought a small framework > could help. So I started the Yupp project. In 2007 I started to work with > Grails, and I borrowed some ideas from there, some ideas from Seam (another > Java MVC framework), and some PHP framewokrs like Cake, Zend, etc. The idea > was to create something with the best of the state of the art in MVC > frameworks. > > > > Do you have a link to such a CDA template (enhanced with some openEHR > ideas) somewhere? > > > Now I just have some proof of concept templates. I send you one attached. > The idea is to complete the template definition and to build the XSD to > validate the template structure. > > > > How do o-EHR-Gen and miniclin compare regarding their uses? When do you use > one when the other? Is miniclin - as its name suggests - aimed at smaller, > more at hoc clinical form based applications? > > > The idea behind miniClin is to create a minimal EHR with CDA support. This > system could run in any system with Apache and PHP (MySQL is optional > because you can persist directly to CDA XML files. The objective of the > EHR-Gen is a framework to build a complete EHR system based on openEHR > archetypes. > > > > Yes, the DB schema is autogenerated from the domain model classes, so the > schema is very generic and doesn't change if you add new archetypes or > templates to your app. This generic approach obviously has a side effect on > performace, but is also a boost on development time. > > How long do load and save operations take? > > > To generate an empty form from archetypes it takes 2-3 seconds. > To generate an edit form (equal to the empty form but with data loaded from > the DB) it takes 5-10 secs. > To bind data from input and save the RM structures on the DB it takes 7-15 > secs. > > Obviously, these times depend on the complexity of the archetypes. > > > > Our big goal is to build a tools chain, so anyone can define some > archetypes, add them in a template, deploy the archetypes and templates into > the Open EHR-Gen Framework, and you will have a complete application for > clinical recording. Over this application, anyone can build their own > plugins, so you can add integration with other systems, conversion to/from > other information models, etc. > > > Sounds fantastic. An exactly what the openEHR community needs to be able to > easily demonstrate archetypes in action. > > How much adaption would it involve get the open-EHR-gen framework running > on my computer with another template? > > > You need to build your templates, and add them to the config file ( > http://code.google.com/p/open-ehr-gen-framework/source/browse/trunk/open-ehr-gen/grails-app/conf/Config.groovy). > There you'll see a mapping like this: > > templates { > hce { > trauma { > INGRESO = ['triage'] > ADMISION = ['prehospitalario', 'contexto_del_evento'] > ANAMNESIS = ['resumen_clinico'] > EVALUACION_PRIMARIA = [ > 'via_aerea', > 'columna_vertebral', > 'ventilacion', > 'estado_circulatorio', > 'disfuncion_neurologica' > ] > PARACLINICA = ['pedido_imagenes', 'pedido_laboratorio'] > EVALUACION_SECUNDARIA = ['exposicion_corporal_total'] > DIAGNOSTICO = ['diagnosticos'] > COMUNES = ['movimiento_paciente'] > } > emergencia { > ACCIONES = ['adm_sust'] > DIAGNOSTICO = ['diagnosticos'] > } > ambulatorio { > > } > quirurgica { > > } > } > } > > This mapping has all the clinical processes in your EHR, here you can see > the trauma process, with all it's stages and all the records in each stage. > Each record is a template (you can see the template names here; > http://code.google.com/p/open-ehr-gen-framework/source/browse/#svn/trunk/open-ehr-gen/templates/hce/trauma > ) > > So in trauma.EVALUACION_PRIMARIA stage (primary evaluation), you have the > air way, breathing, circulation and disability records (the ABCD). Here ( > https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B27lX-sxkymfNGQ5MmU5ZjctMGU3ZC00ODdjLWE0ZWMtNDQ4MmQxMGYzYzRl&sort=name&layout=list&pid=0B27lX-sxkymfYzI5YzBjMWEtZGI5My00NGNiLThmNmQtOGNhZmE0ZWEwNDll&cindex=1) > you can find the generated GUI for the EVALUACION_PRIMARIA-via_aerea > template (this is primary evaluation-airway). You can see some tabs in the > top that let you go to the other records in this primary evaluation stage. > > If you change something on the config template mapping, the app will > instantly show the changes without restarting the app, because all (gui, > bind, save, etc) is generated on the fly. May be you'll have to clean the > ArchetypeManager and TemplateManager caches. > > > I hope this can help you. > If you have any questions, please contact me. > > Cheers, > Pablo. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20101130/014e78dd/attachment.html>
