Coincidentally, I was upgrading my ubuntu box recently and noticed that it installed NetX (an open source JNLP alternative by default). http://jnlp.sourceforge.net/netx/index.html
I'm not sure what the status is and how this fits into the openjdk vision of the world. Cheers, Mark On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:41 PM, John C. Turnbull <ozem...@ozemail.com.au>wrote: > What's the performance like? > > What version of Java does it support? > > Is it a subset of the JRE or complete? > > -----Original Message----- > From: openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net > [mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of Sven Reimers > Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 15:01 > To: Daniel Zwolenski > Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net; mike.ehrenberg@barchart.comEhrenberg; > JeremyJongsma > Subject: Re: Java Deployment (was Re: JavaFX 8 Progress) > > A Java Runtime on top of JavaScript - > http://wiki.apidesign.org/wiki/Bck2Brwsr > > -Sven > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zon...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Yes this is another option, basically running it on a server and then > > rendering on the client. JavaFX could be extended to do this. > > > > Another alternative is a 'java runtime' built on top of jscript > > (similar idea to the runtime being built for mobile, like robovm). In > > this cases jfx would run 100% in the browser on top of jscript. > > > > Another option is a runtime built for the native elements of each > browser. > > Eg a runtime running on chrome's native interface, etc. > > > > All of the above would require a lot of work before being ready to use > > and likely would have some tradeoffs in terms of features or > > performance. The options I listed in the last email are in my opinion > > more achievable in the short term and generally give decent results. > > > > Right now, if you want to deploy jfx my pick suggestion would be > > completely avoid any of the oracle solutions and just pay the licence > > fee for install4j. Although I'd not seen jwrapper until just now and > > it could do with some looking into too. > > > > On 19/07/2013, at 8:10 AM, Mario Torre > > <neugens.limasoftw...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > For Swing you can actually use CacioWeb, works quite well. Zero > > deployment, no VM needed, no plugin, just an HTML 5 capable browser. > > > > > > Doesn't work with JavaFX unfortunately. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mario > > > > > > Il giorno 19/lug/2013 00:03, "Daniel Zwolenski" <zon...@gmail.com> > > > ha > > scritto: > > > > > > > > There are definitely credible alternatives. The problem is > > > > currently > > the alternatives are not implemented well enough so web still ends up > > a contender just by being the only one able to stand up. > > > > > > > > And for the record I build both public facing apps and back-office > > apps and web deploy does not work well for either. I stopped using jfx > > because of deployment. I now build only webapps because of deployment. > > > > > > > > Credible alternatives: > > > > > > > > 1. Native bundlers, but we need: > > > > - auto updating so people can easily release patch updates > > > > - smaller co-bundled jre's so that the initial download and > > > > install is > > smooth and quick > > > > - better build tools to make this easier to integrate into a > > > > standard > > build process, with some solution for cross-platform build support or > > to at least minimize the pain > > > > > > > > 2. App stores: > > > > - ready to go right now for Mac but we don't have the tools and I > > think we need everything fully open sourced for licensing reasons > > (hard to > > say) > > > > - need to either pick one of the unofficial win app stores for > > pre-win8 support (there's a few), or build our own app store > > > > - we just need tools for building and deploying to app stores (not > > that hard) and cut down jre sizes again (app stores are an extension > > of cobundling approach). > > > > > > > > 3. Self-hosted 'app store' for corporate settings. install a > > > > small, > > native client on the machine that allows that user to download and > > install apps from your private server, with auto-updating, etc > > > > - we need to build one, not that hard, maybe a month or two of > > > > work to > > get a first working version out. I would have built one by now but > > because jfx packaging tools are so bad I've burnt up all my spare time > > just putting wrappers around these to get the most basic of maven plugins > to work. > > > > > > > > All of the above could have been implemented by now if there was > > > > just > > a little bit of love in this area. One resource ticking away would > > have been enough to get something going. As it stands there has been > > zero, nada, zip changes into anything other than web/security > > deployment efforts over the last year. J8 due next year (!) will not > > include any of the above, or even any simple improvements to > > deployment approaches other than web, to the best of my knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19/07/2013, at 7:30 AM, Mark Fortner <phidia...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I've heard the "webstart is broke, don't fix it, move on" song > > before from a number of people. What I haven't heard is a credible > > solution to solving the very real problem of keeping an app up-to-date > > in a corporate setting. For the most part, I agree that if you're in > > the business of selling commercial software, selling and distributing > > through an app store probably makes sense for you. Although I wouldn't > > relish having to build on all of those platforms. > > > > > > > > > > However, posting proprietary apps to external OS-specific app > > > > > stores > > doesn't really work for anyone in a corporate setting. Neither does > > making a user re-install an application every time you post a bug fix. > > In addition, many corporations limit the privileges they give users. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sven Reimers > > * Senior Expert Software Architect > * NetBeans Dream Team Member: http://dreamteam.netbeans.org > * Community Leader NetBeans: http://community.java.net/netbeans > Desktop Java: > http://community.java.net/javadesktop > * Duke's Choice Award Winner 2009 > * Blog: http://nbguru.blogspot.com > > * XING: https://www.xing.com/profile/Sven_Reimers8 > * LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/svenreimers > > Join the NetBeans Groups: > * XING: http://www.xing.com/group-20148.82db20 > * NUGM: http://haug-server.dyndns.org/display/NUGM/Home > * LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1860468 > http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=107402 > http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1684717 > * Oracle: https://mix.oracle.com/groups/18497 > >
