most important part first: > > but if you want to spend time on it, I'm all for that, and welcome > > whatever direction you take. but the result needs to be at least as > > good as the current state - which isn't great, but not exactly terrible > > either from my point of view. outdated and maybe plagued by spammers, > > but at least has a lot of basic information. > > IMO, the main problem is outdated and messy information.
to me your emails read like you want to remove/loose/strip down most information. the result might be small and up-to-date, but it is not acceptable from my point of view to loose all the information in the wikis we have already. sorry, but no. if that is your plan I veto all changes. I will not have most parts of the documentation removed with nothing to replace it, even if the documentation isn't up to date. either the plan is to create a have a decent set of documentation for each project in the source plus a central wiki to replace the old wikis, or no changes at all. I refuse to let you "move" things around, if the result is most stuff being removed/dropped/ forgotten/... and then we need to dig in mail archives or old releases to find some information. some more thought on other issues: please don't move everything to the opensc wiki. instead let us setup a new trac/wiki to put things there. reason: in case we need to create another 0.11.* release, it would be best to use the scripts to download the wiki information as is, not a new mix of opensc and other projects documentation. also that way we can develop a new wiki/trac with content and not switch off the old trac/wikis or the html frontpage before the new one is ready. same with the bug tracker: if you want a common shared one, please use a new one. but after this discussion, I don't see why we want to keep using one at all, if it failed. I saw you already changed some stuff in opensc wiki, can you revert that (components etc.)? and the new wiki notification: thanks for installing the plugin, but it doesn't work for me - I always get told I need to set my prferences first, even after I did that already. > Move wiki content from other wikis to www.opensc-project.org/opensc/wiki > (in a structured way) same with other projects, please don't move anything away, unless we have a new release that does not depend on the wiki for documentation. "move" is the wrong approach, better is to copy it - either into the source as documentation or in the new wiki - no reason to delete it in the old wiki. > In the long term? Probably ditch opensc-project.org and move to git/github. github doesn't provide wikis/web pages, download areas, nightly builds, mailing lists etc. as far as I know? > After steps 1 and 2 are done, turn on read only mode we could make everything read-only right away from my point of view. why the delay? > It seems that you had the impression of "trac is hard, it means a lot of > spam" understanding. Which is not true well, the new spam filter seems to work fine. the old setup without it had a lot more situations where we were spammed. still I'd prefer a software with user registration/email verification these days (yes, even though I'm a happy and active user of mailinator.com - we also have b...@opensc- project.org so people can send bug requests without subscribing to the mailing list or registering someplace). Regards, Andreas _______________________________________________ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
