>On 10/18/06, Josh Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 10/18/06, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Josh Hurst writes:
>> > > On 10/17/06, maoyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > I want to post my 4over6 code.How?
>> > > >
>> > > > 4over6 is a  project that makes ipv4 packets go through ipv6 network.
>> > > I suggest that you wait until the ksh93 integration project is done
>> > > with it's work. The project suffers from excessive bureaucracy
>> > > overhead and in my opinion a discussion should be started to
>> > > streamline the project integration process. The current process has
>> > > become unbearable and this needs to be corrected before new projects
>> > > are launched
>> >
>> > Your fear-mongering is completely misplaced just plain unacceptable.
>> Please understand that I am trying to start a generalised discussion
>> whether all this bureaucracy is REQUIRED. No other Open Source project
>> requires this kind of excessive bureaucracy overhead.
>>
>> I do not feel very well that I have to kickstart this discussion but I
>> think the excessive delays in the ksh93 integration project are no
>> longer bearable and require at least a look at the general process.
>>
>> I'd like to start a constructive discussion about the problems because
>> a reform is overdue
>I've added the CAB discussion list to the CC: for comments. IMO the
>problem should be discussed before any new projects are started. We
>need a new, streamlined process which makes sure that projects are no
>longer trashed with excessive bureaucracy


This is assuming that there is a problem; three CAB members did take
part in the development process discussions (Al, Rich and me) and
I don't think we so fault in it.  Of course, we're all Solaris/Sun
fanboys and believe that the way in which we architect and develop
is "The One True Way(TM)".

The Solaris architecture meetings take some getting used to, I
grant you that; and my reaction when first confronted with them
was pretty much like yours.  "It's my project and I cry if I want to"
but I have now reached the state of enlightenment.

As a person with previous experience I believe that the whole
ksh93 discussion was a text book example of how such things happen.

There are sparcs flying and sometimes disagreement; but in the end
the projects generally improve where they are changed (though there
are obviously counter examples such as how "pcfs" deals with file
name case)

"It may be your project, but it is NOT your OpenSolaris/Solaris".

Casper
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