* Ken Gunderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:52:18 -0700 > Glenn Lagasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > * Ken Gunderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > Ok, but that's different from what's being talked about in this thread. > > > > FWIW, I use Gnome in Indiana DP2 every day (and have been since DP2 > > > > released) and haven't had a Gnome crash yet. > > > > > > This thread has discussed a few different things - I must be confused > > > but I thought current context was Gnome dumping core, at least in some > > > cases due to ASSERT being enabled for debugging purposes. I'm just > > > reporting that I have Gnome dumping core on _both_ 79 and 84 builds, > > > particularly when running Evolution, frequently enough so as to make > > > either of them unusable for daily operations. > > > > Fair enough, you're having issues. I and others I know aren't. I'm not > > a Gnome developer so I wouldn't even know where to begin to help track > > down Gnome issues. But, you might try running gnome-cleanup (which > > removes a bunch of gnome settings in your home dir). I've seen this > > solve some peoples crash problems. Of course, you'll want to back up > > your homedir first (or at least the files/dirs that get nuked in the > > gnome-cleanup script). > > This is with fresh, default installs. Others are having issues. I was > just adding my $0.02 in hopes might be helpful for those others.
As with all things software, I'm quite certain you are not alone in having problems with Gnome :-) > [snip] > > > > Would love to but I am not a developer and too old to change horses at > > > this stage in life. Hence my first sentence in the paragraph above. If > > > you've not ever looked at Xfce, or looked at it lately, perhaps you > > > might want to take a gander. I have several unix grey beard type > > > buddies who've ditched Gnome for Xfce after taking it for a test drive > > > and in recent years Xfce is attracting an increasingly large cadre of > > > "Gnome Refugees". There must be a reason. > > > > I'm very familiar with it. It's *nice*, but I don't have a reason to > > leave Gnome at this point (and if I did, it'd probably be to something > > like OpenBox/FluxBox). > > OpenBox Rocks! Hint, hint Blastwave ;) > > > As for a reason that Xfce is attracting "Gnome Refugees", I'm sure there > > is one. However, I'd love to see a real investigation into why (if in > > fact that is the case) rather than postulate that "there must be a > > reason" before drawing any conclusions. :-) > > Well, it's a simple task to subscribe to Xfce list and ask how many > _used_ to use Gnome.... > > I'm not advocating Sun ditch Gnome. Only that other options also be > explored. Work is in process with KDE porting. Xfce is gtk based so > seems like Sun could leverage a lot of what they've already done with > Gnome and Xfce may offer some low hanging fruit compared to effort > required for KDE. Understood (all along in fact). All I'm saying is that the community shouldn't wait for Sun to do everything they'd like to see done. Because they'll likely be pretty disappointed. :-) > Choice is a good thing, and I would think, make Sun packages OS > offerings attractive to more users. For example, I've pointed a few > folks to OS, but when they see Gnome as only option, w/o having to go > to 3rd party repos and extra hassle, that's about the end of that (other > than giving me a good natured hard time for suggesting something so > lame). SXDE/CE are batting 0 for 7 on this one. These are all pretty > seasoned and capable Unix folks but they don't have interest in > spending their time "battling the desktop". Glad it's working for you > but all of these folks complained of buggy Gnome. fwiw- I'm the only > one still "mucking about" with it:) I couldn't agree more with you about choice being a good thing. I'd *love* to see Xfce available for OpenSolaris as an option in the reposs. Heck, I'd love to see the entire Debian repository (the largest software repository that I'm aware of, at last check they had some 10's of thousands of packages iirc though I could be misremembering) available for OpenSolaris. But, Sun isn't likely going to be the entity that causes that to happen in it's entirety. And that's all I'm trying to point out. As for Gnome being a non-starter for some people, oh well. You can't please everyone. At some point, I expect we'll have alternatives (KDE porting work as a simple example) and then maybe we'll appeal to more people (or maybe we won't). I will say, that there's quite a bit in Blastwave (that runs on Indiana and SXCE/SXDE) in terms of alternate window managers/DE's (xfce 4.2.3.2 in fact). Perhaps pointing that out to people might help. Cheers, -- Glenn _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
