Posted via the Jive forum since Gmail still seems to be in the blacklist. Sorry about any duplicates.
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:10 AM, John Plocher <john.ploc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > +-- On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Fredrich Maney > <fredrichma...@gmail.com> wrote: > | +-- I wrote: > | | In other words, it isn't Jive's fault, nor is it the Jive user's > | | fault - from their perspective, they don't see the problem. It is only > you, > | | who chose to use a deficient user interface (mail) to follow their > | | conversation, who has the problem.... > | +-- > | As a user, by choice, of a "deficient user interface" to participate > | in these discussions, I am offended by your tone and assertion. > +-- > > Fredrich, > > I'm sorry that the combination of grammar and logic so easily offends you, > but so be it. I intended nothing offensive in my statement that "from > their perspective I find it ironic that you attack Mr. Harvey for his behavior, while doing exactly the same thing of which you accuse him. However, considering your public treatment of Oracle on these lists of late, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. > ... it is only [the mail user] who has a problem". From > *A JIVE USER'S* perspective, you are simply using the wrong tool for the > job. For other jobs, and from other perspectives, mail may well be the > right tool. I understood your point and I get their POV. However, this is predominately a mail list, not a forum. Politely reminding them of that fact, and the issues inherent with their chosen mode of interaction with this list, is not off base in anyway. If they chose to ignore those reminders and issues, that is their decision. Attacking the people who remind them of the issues that they are causing - particularly since not all of them may be aware of the issues - does nothing positive for the list, the group or your reputation. On the contrary, the only thing it does is "to fragment and disrupt the community" [1]. > [T]he real question here is "why do we continue > using Jive as the web-based UI for our predominantly mail-based conversation > style", and not "how do we retrain Jive users". Bluntly, shame on us for > building poor tools, not shame on them for using them the way they are > supposed to be used. Fair enough. Shame on you. You should do a better job of selecting tools. You should also, at a minimum make sure that the people who use the Jive forum are aware of the problems associated with that interface, and you should be actively working toward building community, not attacking members of the community. If you wish to respond, please leave out the list. This really has wandered far off-topic for opensolaris-discuss. fpsm [1] - You have read your OGB User Profile recently, haven't you? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
