'be considered to cleaned up’

i meant OR, not to. But I note that armax’s patch already clarified this, so 
I’ll go back to my jetlag stupor. :-)

Thanks,
doug

> On Oct 24, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Doug Wiegley <doug...@parksidesoftware.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> As an alternative, to be considered to cleaned up, note that octavia, also a 
> neutron stadium project, puts its specs in its own repo, runs its own doc 
> jobs, etc. Pros and cons, but just pointing out that its out there.
> 
> Thanks,
> doug
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 2:47 AM, Kyle Mestery <mest...@mestery.com 
>> <mailto:mest...@mestery.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Armando M. <arma...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:arma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 21 October 2015 at 10:29, Kyle Mestery <mest...@mestery.com 
>> <mailto:mest...@mestery.com>> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Armando M. <arma...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:arma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 21 October 2015 at 09:53, Kyle Mestery <mest...@mestery.com 
>> <mailto:mest...@mestery.com>> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Armando M. <arma...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:arma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 21 October 2015 at 04:12, Gal Sagie <gal.sa...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:gal.sa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Do we also want to consider Project Kuryr part of this?
>> 
>> No, why would we?
>>  
>> The reason to consider it is because Kuryr is a sub-project of Neutron, and 
>> they are doing their spec submissions following the Neutron guidelines. 
>> Adding the kuryr-core gerrit group to be on part with the *aas repos makes 
>> sense here. If other sub-projects (like L2FW, SFC, etc.) start doing spec 
>> reviews in the neutron-specs repository, then adding them makes sense too.
>> 
>> I don't believe this is the road we set ourselves on when we started the 
>> decomp/stadium. We wanted a clear separation of concerns and I don't see how 
>> going down this path is going to help us achieve that.
>> 
>> I don't see the grounds to have such an abrupt change in direction right 
>> now, especially for the level of work that that would imply and the pressure 
>> that would put on the drivers team. Anyone is free to review and contribute 
>> where it matters for them, and location should not prevent them from doing 
>> so.
>>  
>> I was merely implying that since these projects are part of neutron, and 
>> they have specs, keeping them in one place makes sense. And by doing that, 
>> we'd need to give them +2 powers for their core reviewers. But, I'm fine 
>> with leaving things the way they are and having them put their specs in 
>> their devref. But we should update the devref in Neutron to reflect this, 
>> e.g. that we don't expect specs in neutron-specs for things outside 
>> [neutron, neutron-fwaas, neutron-lbaas, neutron-vpnaas].
>>  
>> 
>> IMO, it's pretty clear from here [1], which I revised in the context of [2]. 
>> Not sure if there's anything else that's left to misunderstanding.
>> 
>> 
>> I think this [1] helps to make it 100% clearer, at least to me.
>> 
>> [1] https://review.openstack.org/238190 <https://review.openstack.org/238190>
>>  
>> [1] 
>> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/neutron-teams.html#neutron-specs-core-reviewer-team
>>  
>> <http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/neutron-teams.html#neutron-specs-core-reviewer-team>
>> [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237180/ 
>> <https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237180/>
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> We already started sending Kuryr spec to the Neutron repository and I think 
>> it would make sense to manage it
>> as part of Neutron spec process.
>> 
>> No, unless what you are asking are changes to the core. Do you have a 
>> reference for me to look at?
>>  
>> See above, perhaps I answered this for you.
>>  
>> 
>> Any opinions on that?
>> 
>> Gal.
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Armando M. <arma...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:arma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> During revision of the Neutron teams [1], we made clear that the 
>> neutron-specs repo is to be targeted by specs for all the Neutron projects 
>> (core + *-aas).
>> 
>> For this reason I made sure that the neutron-specs-core team +2 right was 
>> extended to all the core teams.
>> 
>> Be mindful, use your +2 rights with care: if you are core on a *-aas 
>> project, you should exercise that vote only for specs that pertain the 
>> project you're core of.
>> 
>> If I could use this email as a reminder also of the core hierarchy and 
>> lieutenant system we switched to in Liberty ([3]): if you have been made 
>> core by a lieutenant of a sub-system, please use your +2/+A only within your 
>> area of comfort and reach out for help if in doubt. 
>> 
>> Reviews are always welcome though!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Armando
>> 
>> [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237180/ 
>> <https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237180/>
>> [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/314,members 
>> <https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/314,members>
>> [3] 
>> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/neutron-teams.html#core-review-hierarchy
>>  
>> <http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/neutron-teams.html#core-review-hierarchy>
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