So who's building full J2EE apps without a web front end (at least for the 
adminsitration)? Even someone doing big batch processes needs to see how they're 
progressing sometimes...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas
> 
> 
> Just to play the devil's advocate, people using full J2EE are 
> unlikely  
> to be huge xwork/webwork fans anyway. Unless of course you mean  
> servlets/web containers, rather than J2EE. As surprising as 
> it is, an  
> app with xwork, webwork, lucene, hibernate, sitemesh, and oscache is  
> not a particularly J2EE app. All it uses is jdbc (now part of 
> the core  
> JDK) and servlets.
> 
> On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote:
> 
> > Anders,
> >
> > I have to say that this is a _bad_ idea.
> >
> > You can already test actions to setup xwork.xml - just 
> instantiate the 
> > object, call your setter methods and run!
> >
> > People doing J2EE understand XML, they have to. All descriptors are
> > XML.
> > Xwork.xml is not _that_ complex for a hello world example, 
> most of the
> > elements are optional.
> >
> > However, there _is_ a problem with WW2 at the moment that 
> if a view is
> > not
> > found, no debug page is shown. I think it should be 
> ("action returned
> > "input" but not "input" view found).
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> > On 18/8/03 8:03 AM, "boxed" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the words:
> >
> >> I had a discussion on #java with Epesh, and he expressed the 
> >> sentiment that WW2 might be turning into a too complex 
> system which will
> >> alienate
> >> new users and be "popular with the gearheads and such when 
> it leaves
> >> nerd-domain". After reading the responses to the 
> "Simplicity in WW2"
> >> email I must agree that it looks like this.
> >>
> >> Now, to make me sound less like a whiner and more like someone with
> >> good
> >> ideas, here is a practical proposal:
> >>
> >> The way you have to declare each action in a rather complex XML 
> >> config file before even rudimentary testing increases the 
> >> learning-curve needlessly. I propose a few simple features 
> that will 
> >> help the average
> >> users:
> >>
> >> Actions can be run with the fully qualified class name. 
> Actions map 
> >> by default to
> >>   1. a view document with the name of the action.
> >>   2. if 1 fails, a debug document that displays a list of 
> the exposed 
> >> properties and their current value.
> >>
> >> This will cut the amount of explaining needed for a hello 
> world type
> >> app
> >> down by an entire step. Anyone else got ideas like this 
> that will cut
> >> down on the learning curve for newbies?
> >>
> >> Anders Hovmöller
> >>
> >>
> >>
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