So who's building full J2EE apps without a web front end (at least for the adminsitration)? Even someone doing big batch processes needs to see how they're progressing sometimes...
> -----Original Message----- > From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:38 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas > > > Just to play the devil's advocate, people using full J2EE are > unlikely > to be huge xwork/webwork fans anyway. Unless of course you mean > servlets/web containers, rather than J2EE. As surprising as > it is, an > app with xwork, webwork, lucene, hibernate, sitemesh, and oscache is > not a particularly J2EE app. All it uses is jdbc (now part of > the core > JDK) and servlets. > > On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote: > > > Anders, > > > > I have to say that this is a _bad_ idea. > > > > You can already test actions to setup xwork.xml - just > instantiate the > > object, call your setter methods and run! > > > > People doing J2EE understand XML, they have to. All descriptors are > > XML. > > Xwork.xml is not _that_ complex for a hello world example, > most of the > > elements are optional. > > > > However, there _is_ a problem with WW2 at the moment that > if a view is > > not > > found, no debug page is shown. I think it should be > ("action returned > > "input" but not "input" view found). > > > > M > > > > > > On 18/8/03 8:03 AM, "boxed" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the words: > > > >> I had a discussion on #java with Epesh, and he expressed the > >> sentiment that WW2 might be turning into a too complex > system which will > >> alienate > >> new users and be "popular with the gearheads and such when > it leaves > >> nerd-domain". After reading the responses to the > "Simplicity in WW2" > >> email I must agree that it looks like this. > >> > >> Now, to make me sound less like a whiner and more like someone with > >> good > >> ideas, here is a practical proposal: > >> > >> The way you have to declare each action in a rather complex XML > >> config file before even rudimentary testing increases the > >> learning-curve needlessly. I propose a few simple features > that will > >> help the average > >> users: > >> > >> Actions can be run with the fully qualified class name. > Actions map > >> by default to > >> 1. a view document with the name of the action. > >> 2. if 1 fails, a debug document that displays a list of > the exposed > >> properties and their current value. > >> > >> This will cut the amount of explaining needed for a hello > world type > >> app > >> down by an entire step. Anyone else got ideas like this > that will cut > >> down on the learning curve for newbies? > >> > >> Anders Hovmöller > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites > >> including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums > are available > >> now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual > Studio .NET. > >> http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/ > >> direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET > sites including > > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/ > > direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites > including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are > available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or > Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet _072303_01/01 _______________________________________________ Opensymphony-webwork mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 _______________________________________________ Opensymphony-webwork mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork