I'm open to having a package-wide default action package which would be appended to 
action class names. Did someone create that Jira issue yet?

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> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 7:25 PM
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> Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas
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> 
> from an outsiders point of view.. i think i'd have to admit 
> that requiring a proper classname everywhere would actually 
> increase complexity. 
> but it is nice to be able to think of actions by their name,
> it seems a but superfluous when you're constantly changing 
> their names.. i like thinking of them as entities, jsut like 
> i like to do in plain java code... an import sets the 
> namespace or whatever. maybe the examples could use fully 
> blown classnames to help the newbie. but why couldnt we have 
> something like the prefix action proxy in ww1 as well? i like 
> not having to depend on any tools to help me get the work 
> done, and being to type it all out in plain text.. and i 
> guess even copy-paste is a tool... 
> those are my 2 cents..
> 
> Ian Pojman
> 
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 08:24:18AM +1000, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote:
> > Anders,
> > 
> > I have to say that this is a _bad_ idea.
> > 
> > You can already test actions to setup xwork.xml - just 
> instantiate the 
> > object, call your setter methods and run!
> > 
> > People doing J2EE understand XML, they have to. All descriptors are 
> > XML. Xwork.xml is not _that_ complex for a hello world 
> example, most 
> > of the elements are optional.
> > 
> > However, there _is_ a problem with WW2 at the moment that 
> if a view is 
> > not found, no debug page is shown. I think it should be ("action 
> > returned "input" but not "input" view found).
> > 
> > M
> > 
> > 
> > On 18/8/03 8:03 AM, "boxed" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the words:
> > 
> > > I had a discussion on #java with Epesh, and he expressed the 
> > > sentiment that WW2 might be turning into a too complex 
> system which 
> > > will alienate new users and be "popular with the 
> gearheads and such 
> > > when it leaves nerd-domain". After reading the responses to the 
> > > "Simplicity in WW2" email I must agree that it looks like this.
> > > 
> > > Now, to make me sound less like a whiner and more like 
> someone with 
> > > good ideas, here is a practical proposal:
> > > 
> > > The way you have to declare each action in a rather complex XML 
> > > config file before even rudimentary testing increases the 
> > > learning-curve needlessly. I propose a few simple 
> features that will 
> > > help the average
> > > users:
> > > 
> > > Actions can be run with the fully qualified class name. 
> Actions map 
> > > by default to
> > >   1. a view document with the name of the action.
> > >   2. if 1 fails, a debug document that displays a list of the 
> > > exposed properties and their current value.
> > > 
> > > This will cut the amount of explaining needed for a hello 
> world type 
> > > app down by an entire step. Anyone else got ideas like this that 
> > > will cut down on the learning curve for newbies?
> > > 
> > > Anders Hovmöller
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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