Ole,

>>> it might be time that we accept that this was a bad idea. Which deployment 
>>> status has confirmed.

>> Is it your intent to submit a draft deprecating IPv6 Extension Headers?

> Do you want me to?
> A couple of them seem to have found some use within limited domains. Those 
> problems could likely have 
> been solved also with encapsulation and as it turns out the limited domains 
> end up with additional 
> encapsulation too. Encapsulation is in my a view a better way to reason about 
> these extensions than EHs.

> If nothing else they have served as a way to extend the ip protocol name 
> space. 

No, it just seemed to be the logical extension of your thinking.   Please 
correct me if I have misunderstood.

I believe that EHs can provide a great deal of useful functionality and will do 
so even more in the future.   We, ourselves, are working with a team in India 
to investigate DNS resiliency using our PDM Destination Options Extension 
Header.   

I believe that we need to find out exactly what the situation is as far as 
EH's.  If there are bugs in network device code, then we need to fix them.  We 
have found a number already and are working with the relevant vendors.

Once bugs are fixed, then we need to consider carefully what BCP around EHs 
should be done, taking into account various common topologies as well as 
devices such as proxies and load balancers.  I mention those in particular as 
what we have found points to those devices in particular as posing problems 
rather than transit networks.  

Of course, our testing to date is absolute lack of transmission rather than 
lack of transmission based on EH length or type.  We felt that was the logical 
first step.

Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360






On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 09:21:33 AM PDT, Ole Trøan <otr...@employees.org> 
wrote: 






Hi Nalini,

>> it might be time that we accept that this was a bad idea. Which deployment 
>> status has confirmed.
> 
> Is it your intent to submit a draft deprecating IPv6 Extension Headers?

Do you want me to?
A couple of them seem to have found some use within limited domains. Those 
problems could likely have been solved also with encapsulation and as it turns 
out the limited domains end up with additional encapsulation too. Encapsulation 
is in my a view a better way to reason about these extensions than EHs.

If nothing else they have served as a way to extend the ip protocol name space. 

O. 

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