And to add to that, I don't believe that FailSafe is even required to use 
Oracle with MS Clusters.

IIRC, it's just to simplify the cluster setup.

FailSafe certainly isn't need for setting up failover withi Veritas 
Cluster Server.

Jared







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EE is not required to FailSafe.  It comes at no cost with Standard Edition
as well.



  
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Hi!

RAC - One database, two (or more) instances servicing it concurrently. If
one node crashes, second one starts recovering, your uncommitted
transactions and session state variables (package variables) on failed
instance are lost.

FailSafe - One database, one instance servicing it at any time, in event 
of
failure you can start up instance on another node that will mount, recover
and open the database.

With RAC you can have some kind of transparent failover which is able to
reexecute your queries on survived instance, but AFAIK for uncommitted
transaction survivability your app has to be coded to support it. Also,
with
RAC you may scale your system up to support more users in some cases.

RAC is additional $20k per CPU, FailSafe comes with EE, I believe.

Tanel.

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> Hello all,
>
> We have setup a Microsoft Cluster Server (MSCS) cluster, with two nodes,
using W2K, and now are in the process of deploying Oracle 9i on it. For 
the
purpose of high availability (HA), we are deliberating on setting up 
either
RAC or Oracle Fail Safe. The confusion is over the fact that if we get HA
with oracle Fail Safe, i.e. if one node is down due to any problem, then
the
other takes over, then can we do without RAC?
> Which of these two is more transparent to the user, i.e. which will take
less time to shift the load from one node (server) to the other node?
> Can any one explain the benefits of using RAC over Oracle Fail Safe, or
vice versa.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hussain
>
> DBA SKMCH&RC
>
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