The problem Orion will face is that the open source and low cost competition
will be heating up, and as the quality improves, so will the competition.
Who should they watch out for?
1.Resin (www.caucho.com). When they finally get an EJB server out, it will
be set to integrate with Resin and have a competitive price (around $2000).
2. Jboss (www.jboss.org) and Enhydra Enterprise (www.enhydra.org), which are
actively enhancing and developing their application servers.
3. Jonas (www.evidian.com/jonas) and openejb (http://openejb.exolab.org/),
where the latter is making partnerships with Apache, etc.
Notice I did not mention Unify, which also has a low cost entry, but they
still need to get their financial act together.
So why do I bring these items to light? So that Orion is aware of the
competition, and like the rabbit, doesn't take a nap, but keeps moving
forward, as the turtles get better prepared.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Fredriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:47 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: Re: ORION RISE FROM THE DEAD!
As I mentioned before in a previous posting, the Orion team will continue
their work on the Orion product, partners will do the support.
Support will in the future be the "milking cow" ( don't know if that one
translates well into english, where you get the money...), and there you
have the business modell.
At least that's how I interpreted Karl Avedals speech.
Johan
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: Re: ORION RISE FROM THE DEAD!
> >I really hope that Orion is released into the open-source community if
they're going to tank as a business.
>
> I never thought of that. I guess the real question may be: "What is
Orion's/Ironflare's business model?" Taking a wild guess, not based on any
first hand knowledge/contact/experience, the 'problem' may be that orion's
developer's want to continue programming and not become consultants, support
technicians, etc... Which would be great to have quality developers on the
project full time, but this seems contrary to a lot of the service models
that are out there now. A lot of companies now repackage open source and
get paid on service/consulting. Perhaps they need a quality partner or need
to be bought out (maybe macromedia should have bought them out instead of
buying allaire)...who knows...I'm not an expert in this field as I'm sure my
views have proved. So I may be way off base. I'm just an avid java
developer with a small, nimble company that likes to develop and utilize
small, quick, and well-written software. (did you also ever notice that
orion seems to be at most h!
> !
> !
> alf the size of other major app servers?)
>
> >By the way, if some help is needed to host (or provide an alternative to)
orionsupport, please let me know. I know the boss here; I'm sure we could
work something out.
>
> I think a lot of people would help out in this department (including
myself), especially if it was open source. I already have a kind of how-to
in the works for SSL using chained certificates from Entrust.net.
>
> David
