EW,
The message to which you replied has a slightly different title and is from
my alternate email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED], not [EMAIL PROTECTED]). It
went through just fine.
After my criticism, subsequent messages from others on the original thread
("RE: Oracle deal") also went through fine, but none of them were critical
of Ironflare. In fact, all of them either told me to shut up (Greg
Stickley and Hani Suleiman, who described the problem as a "pebble"), were
complimentary of the deal, and/or tried to change the subject. Seems odd
to me that not one, single critical comment about the most important
business deal in Orion Server's history came after mine, unless the thread
was being censored.
I would point out one of Karl's statements in his reply to me: "The purpose
of the orion-interest has always been to promote the exchange of
experiences and knowledge between our users, not as a channel to
communicate with us."
I interpret the statement above to be a veiled warning that "big brother is
watching" and not to criticize Ironflare via orion-interest.
Don't you also find it odd that Ironflare did not make this announcement?
Rather, it came from Bryan Young's discovery after trying oc4j. My guess
is that Ironflare, possibly under orders from Oracle, wanted to keep this
quiet and is now attempting damage control.
If it's a list problem, okay, but how can we possibly know? Time will
tell, though it could also be that open discussions are not and have never
been allowed in this "interest" group.
Jay
At 04:37 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote:
>J,
>
>There have been lags and blackholes on the list last week. I suspect this is
>because the two gents have been in San Francisco in the last week, and have
>not been unable to keep up the maintenance. Sunday and Monday, and some of
>Tuesday lastweek there were no messages.
>
>Its a list problem...don't blame Orion.
>
>Regards,
>
>the elephantwalker
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J Armstrong
>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:50 PM
>To: Orion-Interest
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Oracle deal gag
>
>
>Just for fun, try bitching about the original issue.
>I tried twice (two days ago and one day ago) to
>respond to Karl Avendal's response to me on this
>thread and it's not showing up.
>
>At 12:48 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>Haha, I know... Hani just said we should bitch so I
>did :P
>>
>>- Phillip
>>
>>
>>
>>--- elephantwalker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Phil,
>>>
>>> Orion also supports do's, even though the latest
>"draft" doesn't include
>>> do's (an earlier draft had major sections on do's).
>Phil, this is a moving
>>> target, and these guys will fix their ejb 2.0.
>Please log the references
>>> issue and bidirectional relations problem with
>bugzilla, they will fix it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> the elephantwalker
>>
>>
>>
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