Hi,
my thoughts to this matter:
* Orion has NO support, besides this list which is a good one
* Orion has NO Education
* PL/SQL is not a servlet, it is built into the DB and is widely used.
* Oracle has consultancy, marketing and so forth which is important for
customers (not developers).
So the 20:1 (haven't checked that) is nothing compared to what you get from
Oracle.
Kalle,
PS.
You could get the 1 million dollars if you follow the rules, it i s easy to
win if you make up your own rules.
DS.
>From: "elephantwalker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Some questions on Orion
>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:27:17 -0700
>
>Paolo,
>
>true.
>
>But you can use perl scripts in orion. Pl/sql, I mean, give me a break.
>That's just an Oracle servlet that could just as well be some other sql
>servlet. Likewise, if you have good cmp/ejbs, there is no need for pl/sql.
>Other developer tools are also integrated with orion. I use Forte to create
>Orion ejb's all of the time.
>
>Struts and other tools are just as good for form building and handling.
>Forte can also be used to automate your form building process with orion.
>
>If you use the opensympony cache, you can beat the Oracle web cache...I
>tried for a year to get the $1 million from Oracle (Larry's famous $1
>million challenge), but they would not let us use orion and opensymphony
>cache!
>
>Orion has one of the best user and role manager api's built into the
>server.
>
>The price difference is 20:1. I mean, give me a break!
>
>Regards,
>
>the elephantwalker
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paolo Ramasso
>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 12:45 AM
>To: Orion-Interest
>Cc: BUCCI,STEFANO
>Subject: Re: Some questions on Orion
>
>
>ciao
>just to clarify yes it is true orion is cheaper than 9ias
>but oc4j (orion) is a component of our application server, we have pl/sql,
>perl,
>form (developer), tools for application integration (worlflow,
>trasformation and
>messaging), business intelligence, intelligent web cache, all these pieces
>are
>included in 9ias, so it depend on your needs to choose the right product.
>ciao
>Paolo
>
>elephantwalker wrote:
>
> > see below...
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > the elephantwalker
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Florian Werner
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:53 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Some questions on Orion
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > I'm currently evaluating Orion for internal use and a customer.
> > Does Orion support/include:
> >
> > RMI over JRMP ?
> > any OODBMS ?
> > any ORMapping Tools ?
> > Realm-Integration like LDAP, RDBMS ?
> >
> > > j2ee support for rmi uses the over the wire protocol ormi.
> > > AFAIK, If you can create a schema for the databank (should be easily
>done
> > with OODBMS) this should work.
> > > Like most j2ee vendors, Orion has its own OR mapping tool
> > > EJBUserManager and DataSourceUserManager can be used directly with a
> > database
> > > and a new custom usermanager can easily use an LDAP server. There is
>also
> > a rolemanager api.
> >
> > Are the any IDEs supporting Orion (beside Kawa from Macromedia) ?
> >
> > > We use Sun's Forte debugging with Orion all of the time.
> >
> > Is ORACLE going to by Orion ?
> >
> > > Oracle has already licensed Orion as oc4j. So you can pay Oracle $30 k
>for
> > Orion, or pay Ironflare $1.5 k ;). oc4j is exactly the same as Orion.
> >
> > Regards
> > Florian Werner
>
>
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