bos, with a little stretching, it can get to more than that: the number of agencies in the jpa list is 724 and from that number 691 have adopted some form of oss implementation which gives 95%
but there are also a number of public sector agencies that are not listed in the jpa list (eg smaller and 'independent' badan / yayasan / majlis / pejabat / institut). if these agencies that adopted oss were added to the 691, it is possible to get more than 100%. but it is in the details which are interesting. pls do have a look at http://knowledge.oscc.org.my/practice-areas/government/oss-implementation-by-federal-and-state-government/oss-adoption this gives the details of which agency implemented what oss solution. for example, there are lots using lighttpd, besides apache. how did this agencies get to lighttpd ? for terengganu.gov.my and johordt.gov.my - the state agencies are running off from the state govt shared data centre services - creating multisite portals. it's in the details that scares m$. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Azrul MADISA <azrulha...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'ts really hard to stop bitching but this 95 % business is really getting > to me hahahhahaha... > > Anyway, just a few months ago, it was 70 % > http://www.opensource.org/node/489. > > Wow! from 70% to 95% in a few months. By this rate we will have 115% by > next year hahhahahaha... > > > This was my take when it reached 70 % previously. > > Enjoy > > The gist of it: Revealing statistics without showing the methodology is the > equivalent of saying the world is flat and you will fall off its edge if you > travel too far. > > Anyway, keep up the good work Boh Yap. I'll be bitching^H^H^H^H^H > criticising too > > I promise myself not to bitch too much but this is such a troll bait, I have >> to bite. >> >> Disclaimer: I'm not trying to belittle OSCC here, it's just that I believe >> >> that claims must be backed by facts, not just some numbers plucked from the >> air (maybe the facts are there that I just couldn't find it, if so, please >> point me to the right direction). >> >> My beef is this, how the heck do you get 70% from? just because a wannabe >> >> geek inside a gov. office uses OOo suddenly the whole office is counted as >> "adopting open source"? What about mixed environment, how do you count that? >> What's the methodology? What about running OOo on Windows? is that >> >> opensource or not? >> >> Things like these are important because it helps us to focus on what is >> needed. I mean, FOSS (OSS/FLOSS/whatever) is supposed to be winning and yet >> MS is laughing all the way to the bank with our tax money, what gives? The >> >> next guy shouting "cybermerdeka!" would be laughed at and yet the gov still >> kow-tow to Balmer like he's some enlighten being or something. >> >> Didn't someone say that the greatest achievement of the devil is to convince >> >> the world he does not exist... not necessarily true, but... >> >> Note: a more relevant study would show how much licenses purchased say last >> year compared to this year and how much we actually spend and how much >> saving is done. I guess those numbers are just too depressing to be >> >> released. >> Azrul >> >> > > Azrul Sensei > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Boh Yap <bhy...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> hi all, >> >> thanks for the criticism... >> >> I criticise because we NEED to be critical (not to condemn), one >> should not just accept being spoon-fed numbers as they are, but must >> be substantiated. Perhaps I am cynical, but I/we have been fed too >> much positive numbers by the powers that be, so much so that >> everything looks rosy... >> Look at what we have been told about MSC, is it a real success..? >> Maybe I have been in this industry, and at the 'bleeding edge' for too >> long, I wanna belief, but ... just believing ain't gonna make it >> happen. >> >> I for one don't want the OSS community to just 'feel good' just becos >> some numbers says we are winning... been thru too many situations like >> that, where I thought I would win becos we/we had the better >> knowledge, better technology, better product, but underestimated the >> 'enemies' marketing power. Our enemies are strong and they have >> marketing dollars to spend... think M$! >> >> I for one don't want the OSS community to just 'feel good' just becos >> some numbers says we are winning... been thru too many situations like >> that, where I thought I would win becos we/we had the better >> knowledge, better technology, better product, but underestimated the >> 'enemies' marketing power. Our enemies are strong and they have >> marketing dollars to spend... think M$! >> >> Also, as a community I want us all to be wary, keep improving ourselves. >> >> No I don't wanna wait for the numbers, beacuse as I mentioned before, >> the numbers (or rather statistics) may lie! (and yes, I majored in >> Statistics). >> >> Web servers are not the only OSS soltn, true, but they are the most >> visible and easiest to assess. And Web Servers are where OSS has the >> strongest justification, compared to the desktop. If we don't/can't >> have a strong foothold there then, the chances on desktop are even >> slimmer. And looking at the link Haris provided, Open Office usage are >> pretty low, despite (from talking to OSCC staff), they have conducted >> many Open Office classes, so the uptake is still low... >> >> On the other hand, Raja I believe, has told me that the majority of >> Web Servers has gone OSS, mainly because internal IT Dept, either >> couldn't get a budget, or wait for a budget and decided to 'try' OSS, >> found that it works and took it from there. There could also have been >> guys that are already OSS supporters and persuaded their management to >> go OSS. These guys (respective IT depts) are the guerilla fighters of >> the OSS community and should be applauded and supported. >> They should be 'recruited' to be part of OSDC if not already so. >> Perhaps some of them are members of the OSDC, and could they pls give >> their views? >> >> But the point I'd like to make is that the success of OSS then is >> still limited, its the result of action of small groups of >> 'enthusiasts' within the government, and is still NOT A MATTER OF >> POLICY, or it may be policy but its not being followed... Case in >> point, talk to OSCC staff, and they'll tell you that their frustration >> is they have no 'enforcement' power for OSS. >> >> I think, a major victory would have been won, if a gov tender comes >> out, and states that it HAS to be OSS, then that would be significant. >> >> And this ties in to the point about demand for services for OSS, and I >> agree with the rest of you guys, yes this will grow, we better be >> ready. >> >> Just a rather blunt questions, if a tender for a big gov OSS project >> comes out, who do you think will get the job, companies like Acenture, >> IBM, Sun (Sun & IBM are OSS companies too...) or some small OSS >> company? Do you think we can be part of it? >> >> So my point is not to just feel good, but be ready, otherwise the >> prize we are fighting for will be stolen by somebody.... >> >> >> ..wasn't it Steve Jobs who, in a speech to Stanford, said >> "..stay lean, stay hungry.." ? >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel >> <linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Do agree with you bro. This year with the cutting cost gov moving into >> > self made application >> > and support and >> > >> > For me, OSS is the suitable choice. With free license, easy to get >> > documentation, >> > community support and OSCC. I do find surge in OSS demand. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM, MM <marz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > Bros, >> > > Think out of the box? web server is not the only oss solution >> available kan. >> > > Figure/statistic is real. whats achieved is real. WTF? from 70s to >> 90s? >> > > thanks for the continuos awareness, marketing and supports from OSCC >> folks, >> > > and dont have to write a scrip to get the header out, ready solution >> is >> > > available. wait till total saving is announced...u all will be amazed >> and >> > > maybe wonder too, as usual. like it or not, demand for support and >> training >> > > is coming from this sector, and we all should start to get ready for >> this, >> > > rather than arguing the statistic. >> > > >> > > MM >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >> > >> > Facebook Fan page >> > >> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >> > >> > http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > >> > Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<osdcmy-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en >> >> >> -- >> #------- >> regds, >> >> Boh Heong, Yap >> >> -- >> Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >> >> Facebook Fan page >> >> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >> >> http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<osdcmy-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en >> > > -- > Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ > > Facebook Fan page > > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 > > http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. > To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<osdcmy-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en > -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. 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