Man, Adobe is allowing distribution of their runtime in this manner, huh? Guess I never read the licensing / restrictions!
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Jethro Grassie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Take a look at Shu. > > http://shu-player.com > > Seems to address many of AIR shortcomings. > > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Jethro Grassie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > As per Samuel Agesilas's comments.... > > > > That is exactly why I think AIR is going to take off. > > It brings us some of the benefits of both online and offline in a very > > easy to use technology. > > Sure its not a perfect solution _yet_, but it is still very new and we > > can expect it to develop very quickly into something very usable. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Samuel Agesilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Well mate, > > > > > > The desktop is FAR from dead. Most of the apps I use on my Mac are > > > desktop apps. Both for professional and recreational. There is a huge > > > market for software that cannot be made into a web app. Imagine if > > > Ableton was a live application, how many night clubs you know are > > > equipped > > > with broadband wifi. In my case I could have never written Saffron > > > into a web app and still maintain the level of quality and user > > > experience I wanted. > > > > > > The fact is that nothing beats instant on! And desktop applications > > > give you that. No sever waits or downloads or caching issues > > > or none of that. I think the trend is going to be towards more rich > > > client desktop app's that can connect the web but do not depend > > > implicitly on an internet > > > connection. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Sam > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2008, at 4:39 AM, Cedric Muller wrote: > > > > > > > Failing examples: > > > > > > > > -....Bring merchants to the desktop, and start to sell on the > > > desktop > > > > (IS THAT A JOKE ???) > > > > > > > > - then, there is AOL.... "With our Adobe AIR application, we can > > > > reach communities of users with compelling, free content available > > > > from AOL" (They now acknowledge they cannot reach communities of > > > > users online ;) > > > > > > > > - EBAY: The result: people can experience the world's largest online > > > > marketplace and engage with eBay services using a compact, intuitive > > > > desktop application. > > > > Wow really ? So what about revamping the website instead of > > > > developping a new interface ? In what sense does AIR feel right ? > > > > > > > > - The NASDAQ example: Quotes are everywhere, on your mobile on your > > > > tv on your paper on your face, but from now on, INVESTORS (gasp!) > > > can > > > > follow quotes on their desktop (and this has been done thousand > > > > times, and this hasn't helped any investor :) ) > > > > > > > > Really really sorry, I am just a flash programmer, sites and > > > > applications, but I cannot feel the marketing crap here. > > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone at Adobe realized how old skool is the desktop, > > > > and how fast everything will move in the next 5 years ?? > > > > > > > > Cedric (ok ok, I am anti-air, but still pro flash platform) > > > > > > > > ps: the AIR symbol is fun (I see 'empty space') > > > > > > > >> I am quite intrigued by the hype and trendy comments AIR is > > > receiving > > > >> (build with Flash, build with Flex, build with AJAX, build with > > > >> Legos, build with your cat, do a Tour, do some Zigs, and other > > > >> Zags) .,... I can count on the fingers of my hand the Good and > > > >> Functionnal AIR apps that are around ... and all the people > > > >> applausing just because the others are > > > >> Zinc is just a hell to make it work, but then it just works and IS > > > >> functionnal. They don't fancy around and such. > > > >> > > > >> Now Adobe asking for feedback and such ... :) > > > >> > > > >> The idea to find Hacks to a 1.0 version is soooo cheap... makes me > > > >> wonder what were those people thinking ? (They must have thought > > > >> something like: bring the browser to the desktop, but Nah! The > > > >> browser overtakes the desktop, so why would be have light apps > > > >> running on our desktop ? no sense at all) > > > >> > > > >> Really ? I am fed up of 'happy and glowing professionals' being > > > over > > > >> optimistic on some overall not interesting initiative (actually: we > > > >> are all playing the idiots because we don't have any clue, we just > > > >> want to do technology and earn money, so we follow, so we > > > >> follow, ...). Do your homework, do some yoga (I need such right > > > >> now :P ) and bring better things than just doing over hyped > > > >> nonsense.... > > > >> > > > >> AIR ist Rad! > > > >> > > > >> Cedric > > > >> > > > >>> I totally agree. Without the ability to launch external apps AIR > > > >>> will have a hard time becoming more than a novelty. > > > >>> > > > >>> By the way, you can also use SQLLite with MDM. > > > >>> http://www.thecodezone.com/downloads/sqlite.php > > > >>> > > > >>> ------------------------------- > > > >>> Iman Khabazian > > > >>> Managing Director, iMAN IT > > > >>> 949.231.8042 > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>> www.imanit.com > > > >>> www.scuge.com > > > >>> www.imanit.com/blog > > > >>> > > > >>> On Feb 13, 2008 2:45 PM, Keith Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> Even as a hack, it is not pure AIR. It requires installing and > > > >>> running another application on your machine. The Artemis project > > > >>> does something similar. I totally agree with what Sam that this > > > >>> was a really poor decision. I think most of us would have gladly > > > >>> left the SQLLite stuff behind in favor of this. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Keith Peters > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Feb 13, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Iman Khabazian wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> has anyone tried the hack? > > > >>>> http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2008/01/17/commandproxy-net-air- > > > >>>> integration-proof-of-concept/ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -Iman > > > >>>> ------------------------------- > > > >>>> Iman Khabazian > > > >>>> Managing Director, iMAN IT > > > >>>> 949.231.8042 > > > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>> www.imanit.com > > > >>>> www.scuge.com > > > >>>> www.imanit.com/blog > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Feb 13, 2008 2:31 PM, Samuel Agesilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> Yea it is a major, fudge up by Adobe. Essentially with AIR Adobe > > > >>>> build the Ferrari of desktop app development, but decided to > > > slash > > > >>>> all the tires and put sugar in the gas tank when they decided to > > > >>>> seriously hamper AIR by not allowing calls apps to launch. Talk > > > >>>> about a dumb and stupid decision. and I don't believe Adobe knows > > > >>>> how crucial of a feature that is! For example, I had a client > > > come > > > >>>> to us to develop a UI for an audio processing software project. > > > >>>> For the UI we looked at JavaFX ( which is not quite ready ), > > > Java, > > > >>>> QT and Adobe AIR. AIR hit all of the points and the client was > > > >>>> ready to roll with AIR except for that crucial fact of not being > > > >>>> able to launch external apps. That was the deal breaker and the > > > >>>> client walked away from AIR development and decided to go with > > > QT. > > > >>>> It's a shame to because that particular project was perfect for > > > >>>> Flash + AIR. If anyone at Adobe is reading this, PLEASE stop > > > >>>> handicapping your products and start trusting your developer > > > >>>> community. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> my two cents. > > > >>>> -sam > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Feb 8, 2008, at 6:18 AM, slangeberg wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Yeah, you're right. Not being able to make system calls / launch > > > >>>>> apps IS a major shortcoming of AIR, at this point. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Here's an official Adobe statement, as of June: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> src: > > > http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm? > > > >>>>> catid=641&threadid=1298770&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thank you everyone who has contributed to this thread. My name > > > is > > > >>>>> Rob Christensen and I'm a product manager on Adobe AIR. I'd like > > > >>>>> to provide some clarity on this topic, but also invite you to > > > >>>>> share additional thoughts. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The primary reason that AIR 1.0 does not include support for > > > >>>>> launching native applications originates from a founding design > > > >>>>> decision/philosophy. Applications that do not depend on other > > > >>>>> applications to be installed result in a better user experience. > > > >>>>> Our goal with AIR has been to deliver a runtime that delivers > > > >>>>> applications consistently across operating systems. Please note > > > >>>>> that this doesn't mean we're right nor that we might not change > > > >>>>> our minds on this. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> We'd like to hear what you think on this topic. It's helpful if > > > >>>>> you can let us know what you're trying to build. The more > > > >>>>> specific you can be, the more helpful it is to our team. Please > > > >>>>> reply to this thread or send us a note through our feedback > > > form. > > > >>>>> This form will send a message directly to our development and > > > >>>>> product management team. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Feedback for (Adobe AIR) > > > >>>>> http://www.adobe.com/go/wish/ > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> As with any design decision, there's plenty of opportunity to > > > >>>>> debate the topic and this is something we continue to discuss > > > >>>>> even internally. The major disadvantage is that it's much more > > > >>>>> difficult to take advantage of existing code libraries or launch > > > >>>>> other native applications. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> At the same time, one advantage to the current design is that > > > >>>>> when you distribute an application, you do not need to say, > > > "This > > > >>>>> is a really great application, but make sure you have Microsoft > > > >>>>> Windows (or OSX) installed as well as Microsoft Word (or > > > >>>>> Photoshop or some other native product) to really take advantage > > > >>>>> of this application." > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Again, we may revisit this decision in the future and as with > > > any > > > >>>>> 1.0, you almost always come to reconsider your initial design > > > >>>>> goals. There are some interesting options here such as the one > > > >>>>> discussed earlier of launching the default application for a > > > >>>>> specific file type. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Stuartc11: It is possible to launch a web browser by the way and > > > >>>>> some of the sample applications have code that that demonstrate > > > >>>>> how to do this. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> - Rob > > > >>>>> Product Manager, Adobe AIR > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -Scott > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> PS: Zinc blows holes in the ozone. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Feb 8, 2008 5:41 AM, Cedric Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>>>> Actually, I was able to launch VLC with Zinc (not Zinc specific, > > > >>>>> but > > > >>>>> it does manage activex) and pass the HD streams to VLC > > > >>>>> now, I am looking at a splitted screen with 4 HD streams, all > > > >>>>> totally > > > >>>>> fluid. > > > >>>>> Ok ok, I have a tough graphic card, but my tests so far indicate > > > >>>>> that > > > >>>>> there is plenty of margin. > > > >>>>> Moreover, with VLC I can load in almost any video type (even > > > >>>>> FLVs)... > > > >>>>> though i am doing an internal check, and if video is FLV I > > > >>>>> stream it > > > >>>>> with Flash... > > > >>>>> The app I am building is quite technical, and clients' > > > constraints > > > >>>>> are very high (regarding HD (and full hd) Streaming). To be > > > >>>>> honest, > > > >>>>> it isn't a desktop application, more like a 'computer app' > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Cedric > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Not to be obtuse, but can you stream HD video with Zinc? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Does streaming HD video establish the validity of a desktop > > > app? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Anyhow, you can stream video with Flash Media Server to the > > > flash > > > >>>>>> player (AIR). Probably Red5 too. Right? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Feb 8, 2008 2:02 AM, Cedric Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>>>>> yes works well, but quite not a true desktop app: how would you > > > >>>>>> stream Full HD video with AIR ? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> yeah, and just to be the rah rah boy - AIR rocks. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> fine, shoot me, but it *works* well > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2008 7:33 PM, Arnoud Bos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> Try screenweaver haxe (swhx) if you are not afraid of > > > >>>>> command line > > > >>>>>>> tools. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Works great! > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> And it's opensource (this is an open source list, right?) > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Arnoud > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:osflash- > > > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens bean tickler > > > >>>>>>> Verzonden: donderdag 7 februari 2008 23:25 > > > >>>>>>> Aan: osflash@osflash.org > > > >>>>>>> Onderwerp: [osflash] MDM Zinc v3 rant > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Sad sad sad. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Too long have I and almost everyone I know suffered with this > > > >>>>> poor > > > >>>>>>> product and its predecessors. 2.5 buggy buggy buggy. V3 beta, > > > >>>>> buggy > > > >>>>>>> but fine, BETA. V3 RELEASE, same as BETA, not one bug fixed > > > from > > > >>>>>>> what I can tell and they have ditched tons of the > > > functionality > > > >>>>>>> they had in 2.5!!! > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Why oh why do we bother??? Well, at one point they were the > > > >>>>> best of > > > >>>>>>> a bad bunch with shed loads of commands and slick marketing. > > > >>>>>>> However, I feel the competitors have overtaken them. Just > > > >>>>> look at > > > >>>>>>> the likes of Janus (a new but reliable tool) and SWF studio. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> For me I would have loved to have stayed with SWF Studio but > > > >>>>> they > > > >>>>>>> had no handheld or Mac output. Janus is my new favorite as it > > > >>>>> has > > > >>>>>>> yet to cause me an embarrassing client crash and has Mac and > > > >>>>> Linux > > > >>>>>>> output coming up). But wow, I feel soo dumb for ever buying > > > >>>>> Zinc!! > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Every negative post on their "community" forum gets deleted, > > > >>>>> they > > > >>>>>>> are now even checking posts _before_ they go live. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Sorry for the rant. 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