I tend to agree that most of the examples don't really make me think, WOW that is so much better than just visiting a website. The one place that I think AIR makes a lot of sense, but I haven't really seen yet is being able to work unconnected.
So for example, what if my Stock Quote site allowed me to run an AIR version, that downloaded a bunch of data. Then while I am disconnected I could analyze that data, make choices about what stocks to buy or get more info on. Then when I reconnect the AIR app automatically can send my actions back to the site. This ability to work disconnected is really what makes AIR a desktop app, not the fact that you can view a website on your desktop. I hope to see some great examples of this very soon. *Steve Mathews* *Senior Software Engineer* e [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Flypaper Studio, Inc.* www.flypaper.net On 2/15/08, Cedric Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Failing examples: > > -....Bring merchants to the desktop, and start to sell on the desktop > (IS THAT A JOKE ???) > > - then, there is AOL.... "With our Adobe AIR application, we can > reach communities of users with compelling, free content available > from AOL" (They now acknowledge they cannot reach communities of > users online ;) > > - EBAY: The result: people can experience the world's largest online > marketplace and engage with eBay services using a compact, intuitive > desktop application. > Wow really ? So what about revamping the website instead of > developping a new interface ? In what sense does AIR feel right ? > > - The NASDAQ example: Quotes are everywhere, on your mobile on your > tv on your paper on your face, but from now on, INVESTORS (gasp!) can > follow quotes on their desktop (and this has been done thousand > times, and this hasn't helped any investor :) ) > > Really really sorry, I am just a flash programmer, sites and > applications, but I cannot feel the marketing crap here. > > I wonder if anyone at Adobe realized how old skool is the desktop, > and how fast everything will move in the next 5 years ?? > > Cedric (ok ok, I am anti-air, but still pro flash platform) > > ps: the AIR symbol is fun (I see 'empty space') > > > I am quite intrigued by the hype and trendy comments AIR is receiving > > (build with Flash, build with Flex, build with AJAX, build with > > Legos, build with your cat, do a Tour, do some Zigs, and other > > Zags) .,... I can count on the fingers of my hand the Good and > > Functionnal AIR apps that are around ... and all the people > > applausing just because the others are > > Zinc is just a hell to make it work, but then it just works and IS > > functionnal. They don't fancy around and such. > > > > Now Adobe asking for feedback and such ... :) > > > > The idea to find Hacks to a 1.0 version is soooo cheap... makes me > > wonder what were those people thinking ? (They must have thought > > something like: bring the browser to the desktop, but Nah! The > > browser overtakes the desktop, so why would be have light apps > > running on our desktop ? no sense at all) > > > > Really ? I am fed up of 'happy and glowing professionals' being over > > optimistic on some overall not interesting initiative (actually: we > > are all playing the idiots because we don't have any clue, we just > > want to do technology and earn money, so we follow, so we > > follow, ...). Do your homework, do some yoga (I need such right > > now :P ) and bring better things than just doing over hyped > > nonsense.... > > > > AIR ist Rad! > > > > Cedric > > > >> I totally agree. Without the ability to launch external apps AIR > >> will have a hard time becoming more than a novelty. > >> > >> By the way, you can also use SQLLite with MDM. > >> http://www.thecodezone.com/downloads/sqlite.php > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> Iman Khabazian > >> Managing Director, iMAN IT > >> 949.231.8042 > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> www.imanit.com > >> www.scuge.com > >> www.imanit.com/blog > >> > >> On Feb 13, 2008 2:45 PM, Keith Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Even as a hack, it is not pure AIR. It requires installing and > >> running another application on your machine. The Artemis project > >> does something similar. I totally agree with what Sam that this > >> was a really poor decision. I think most of us would have gladly > >> left the SQLLite stuff behind in favor of this. > >> > >> > >> Keith Peters > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 13, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Iman Khabazian wrote: > >> > >>> has anyone tried the hack? > >>> http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2008/01/17/commandproxy-net-air- > >>> integration-proof-of-concept/ > >>> > >>> -Iman > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> Iman Khabazian > >>> Managing Director, iMAN IT > >>> 949.231.8042 > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> www.imanit.com > >>> www.scuge.com > >>> www.imanit.com/blog > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 13, 2008 2:31 PM, Samuel Agesilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>> Yea it is a major, fudge up by Adobe. Essentially with AIR Adobe > >>> build the Ferrari of desktop app development, but decided to slash > >>> all the tires and put sugar in the gas tank when they decided to > >>> seriously hamper AIR by not allowing calls apps to launch. Talk > >>> about a dumb and stupid decision. and I don't believe Adobe knows > >>> how crucial of a feature that is! For example, I had a client come > >>> to us to develop a UI for an audio processing software project. > >>> For the UI we looked at JavaFX ( which is not quite ready ), Java, > >>> QT and Adobe AIR. AIR hit all of the points and the client was > >>> ready to roll with AIR except for that crucial fact of not being > >>> able to launch external apps. That was the deal breaker and the > >>> client walked away from AIR development and decided to go with QT. > >>> It's a shame to because that particular project was perfect for > >>> Flash + AIR. If anyone at Adobe is reading this, PLEASE stop > >>> handicapping your products and start trusting your developer > >>> community. > >>> > >>> my two cents. > >>> -sam > >>> > >>> On Feb 8, 2008, at 6:18 AM, slangeberg wrote: > >>> > >>>> Yeah, you're right. Not being able to make system calls / launch > >>>> apps IS a major shortcoming of AIR, at this point. > >>>> > >>>> Here's an official Adobe statement, as of June: > >>>> > >>>> src: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm? > >>>> catid=641&threadid=1298770&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear > >>>> > >>>> Thank you everyone who has contributed to this thread. My name is > >>>> Rob Christensen and I'm a product manager on Adobe AIR. I'd like > >>>> to provide some clarity on this topic, but also invite you to > >>>> share additional thoughts. > >>>> > >>>> The primary reason that AIR 1.0 does not include support for > >>>> launching native applications originates from a founding design > >>>> decision/philosophy. Applications that do not depend on other > >>>> applications to be installed result in a better user experience. > >>>> Our goal with AIR has been to deliver a runtime that delivers > >>>> applications consistently across operating systems. Please note > >>>> that this doesn't mean we're right nor that we might not change > >>>> our minds on this. > >>>> > >>>> We'd like to hear what you think on this topic. It's helpful if > >>>> you can let us know what you're trying to build. The more > >>>> specific you can be, the more helpful it is to our team. Please > >>>> reply to this thread or send us a note through our feedback form. > >>>> This form will send a message directly to our development and > >>>> product management team. > >>>> > >>>> Feedback for (Adobe AIR) > >>>> http://www.adobe.com/go/wish/ > >>>> > >>>> As with any design decision, there's plenty of opportunity to > >>>> debate the topic and this is something we continue to discuss > >>>> even internally. The major disadvantage is that it's much more > >>>> difficult to take advantage of existing code libraries or launch > >>>> other native applications. > >>>> > >>>> At the same time, one advantage to the current design is that > >>>> when you distribute an application, you do not need to say, "This > >>>> is a really great application, but make sure you have Microsoft > >>>> Windows (or OSX) installed as well as Microsoft Word (or > >>>> Photoshop or some other native product) to really take advantage > >>>> of this application." > >>>> > >>>> Again, we may revisit this decision in the future and as with any > >>>> 1.0, you almost always come to reconsider your initial design > >>>> goals. There are some interesting options here such as the one > >>>> discussed earlier of launching the default application for a > >>>> specific file type. > >>>> > >>>> Stuartc11: It is possible to launch a web browser by the way and > >>>> some of the sample applications have code that that demonstrate > >>>> how to do this. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> - Rob > >>>> Product Manager, Adobe AIR > >>>> > >>>> -Scott > >>>> > >>>> PS: Zinc blows holes in the ozone. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 8, 2008 5:41 AM, Cedric Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> Actually, I was able to launch VLC with Zinc (not Zinc specific, > >>>> but > >>>> it does manage activex) and pass the HD streams to VLC > >>>> now, I am looking at a splitted screen with 4 HD streams, all > >>>> totally > >>>> fluid. > >>>> Ok ok, I have a tough graphic card, but my tests so far indicate > >>>> that > >>>> there is plenty of margin. > >>>> Moreover, with VLC I can load in almost any video type (even > >>>> FLVs)... > >>>> though i am doing an internal check, and if video is FLV I > >>>> stream it > >>>> with Flash... > >>>> The app I am building is quite technical, and clients' constraints > >>>> are very high (regarding HD (and full hd) Streaming). To be honest, > >>>> it isn't a desktop application, more like a 'computer app' > >>>> > >>>> Cedric > >>>> > >>>>> Not to be obtuse, but can you stream HD video with Zinc? > >>>>> > >>>>> Does streaming HD video establish the validity of a desktop app? > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyhow, you can stream video with Flash Media Server to the flash > >>>>> player (AIR). Probably Red5 too. Right? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Feb 8, 2008 2:02 AM, Cedric Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> yes works well, but quite not a true desktop app: how would you > >>>>> stream Full HD video with AIR ? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> yeah, and just to be the rah rah boy - AIR rocks. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> fine, shoot me, but it *works* well > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 7, 2008 7:33 PM, Arnoud Bos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> Try screenweaver haxe (swhx) if you are not afraid of > >>>> command line > >>>>>> tools. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Works great! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And it's opensource (this is an open source list, right?) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Arnoud > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:osflash- > >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens bean tickler > >>>>>> Verzonden: donderdag 7 februari 2008 23:25 > >>>>>> Aan: [email protected] > >>>>>> Onderwerp: [osflash] MDM Zinc v3 rant > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sad sad sad. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Too long have I and almost everyone I know suffered with this > >>>> poor > >>>>>> product and its predecessors. 2.5 buggy buggy buggy. V3 beta, > >>>> buggy > >>>>>> but fine, BETA. V3 RELEASE, same as BETA, not one bug fixed from > >>>>>> what I can tell and they have ditched tons of the functionality > >>>>>> they had in 2.5!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Why oh why do we bother??? Well, at one point they were the > >>>> best of > >>>>>> a bad bunch with shed loads of commands and slick marketing. > >>>>>> However, I feel the competitors have overtaken them. Just > >>>> look at > >>>>>> the likes of Janus (a new but reliable tool) and SWF studio. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For me I would have loved to have stayed with SWF Studio but > >>>> they > >>>>>> had no handheld or Mac output. Janus is my new favorite as it > >>>> has > >>>>>> yet to cause me an embarrassing client crash and has Mac and > >>>> Linux > >>>>>> output coming up). But wow, I feel soo dumb for ever buying > >>>> Zinc!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Every negative post on their "community" forum gets deleted, > >>>> they > >>>>>> are now even checking posts _before_ they go live. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sorry for the rant. 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