I totally agree. Without the ability to launch external apps AIR will have a hard time becoming more than a novelty.
By the way, you can also use SQLLite with MDM. http://www.thecodezone.com/downloads/sqlite.php ------------------------------- Iman Khabazian Managing Director, iMAN IT 949.231.8042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.imanit.com www.scuge.com www.imanit.com/blog On Feb 13, 2008 2:45 PM, Keith Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even as a hack, it is not pure AIR. It requires installing and running > another application on your machine. The Artemis project does something > similar. I totally agree with what Sam that this was a really poor > decision. I think most of us would have gladly left the SQLLite stuff behind > in favor of this. > > Keith Peters > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On Feb 13, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Iman Khabazian wrote: > > has anyone tried the hack? > > http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2008/01/17/commandproxy-net-air-integration-proof-of-concept/ > > > -Iman > ------------------------------- > Iman Khabazian > Managing Director, iMAN IT > 949.231.8042 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.imanit.com > www.scuge.com > www.imanit.com/blog > > > On Feb 13, 2008 2:31 PM, Samuel Agesilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yea it is a major, fudge up by Adobe. Essentially with AIR Adobe build > > the Ferrari of desktop app development, but decided to slash all the tires > > and put sugar in the gas tank when they decided to seriously hamper AIR by > > not allowing calls apps to launch. Talk about a dumb and stupid decision. > > and I don't believe Adobe knows how crucial of a feature that is! For > > example, I had a client come to us to develop a UI for an audio processing > > software project. For the UI we looked at JavaFX ( which is not quite ready > > ), Java, QT and Adobe AIR. AIR hit all of the points and the client was > > ready to roll with AIR except for that crucial fact of not being able to > > launch external apps. That was the deal breaker and the client walked away > > from AIR development and decided to go with QT. It's a shame to because that > > particular project was perfect for Flash + AIR. If anyone at Adobe is > > reading this, PLEASE stop handicapping your products and start trusting your > > developer community. > > my two cents. > > -sam > > > > On Feb 8, 2008, at 6:18 AM, slangeberg wrote: > > > > Yeah, you're right. Not being able to make system calls / launch apps IS > > a major shortcoming of AIR, at this point. > > > > Here's an official Adobe statement, as of June: > > > > *src*: > > http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=641&threadid=1298770&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear > > > > Thank you everyone who has contributed to this thread. My name is Rob > > Christensen and I'm a product manager on Adobe AIR. I'd like to provide some > > clarity on this topic, but also invite you to share additional thoughts. > > > > The primary reason that AIR 1.0 does not include support for launching > > native applications originates from a founding design decision/philosophy. > > Applications that do not depend on other applications to be installed result > > in a better user experience. Our goal with AIR has been to deliver a runtime > > that delivers applications consistently across operating systems. Please > > note that this doesn't mean we're right nor that we might not change our > > minds on this. > > > > We'd like to hear what you think on this topic. It's helpful if you can > > let us know what you're trying to build. The more specific you can be, the > > more helpful it is to our team. Please reply to this thread or send us a > > note through our feedback form. This form will send a message directly to > > our development and product management team. > > > > Feedback for (Adobe AIR) > > http://www.adobe.com/go/wish/ > > > > As with any design decision, there's plenty of opportunity to debate the > > topic and this is something we continue to discuss even internally. The > > major disadvantage is that it's much more difficult to take advantage of > > existing code libraries or launch other native applications. > > > > At the same time, one advantage to the current design is that when you > > distribute an application, you do not need to say, "This is a really great > > application, but make sure you have Microsoft Windows (or OSX) installed as > > well as Microsoft Word (or Photoshop or some other native product) to really > > take advantage of this application." > > > > Again, we may revisit this decision in the future and as with any 1.0, > > you almost always come to reconsider your initial design goals. There are > > some interesting options here such as the one discussed earlier of launching > > the default application for a specific file type. > > > > Stuartc11: It is possible to launch a web browser by the way and some of > > the sample applications have code that that demonstrate how to do this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Rob > > Product Manager, Adobe AIR > > > > > > -Scott > > > > PS: Zinc blows holes in the ozone. > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 5:41 AM, Cedric Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Actually, I was able to launch VLC with Zinc (not Zinc specific, but > > > it does manage activex) and pass the HD streams to VLC > > > now, I am looking at a splitted screen with 4 HD streams, all totally > > > fluid. > > > Ok ok, I have a tough graphic card, but my tests so far indicate that > > > there is plenty of margin. > > > Moreover, with VLC I can load in almost any video type (even FLVs)... > > > though i am doing an internal check, and if video is FLV I stream it > > > with Flash... > > > The app I am building is quite technical, and clients' constraints > > > are very high (regarding HD (and full hd) Streaming). To be honest, > > > it isn't a desktop application, more like a 'computer app' > > > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > Not to be obtuse, but can you stream HD video with Zinc? > > > > > > > > Does streaming HD video establish the validity of a desktop app? > > > > > > > > Anyhow, you can stream video with Flash Media Server to the flash > > > > player (AIR). Probably Red5 too. Right? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2008 2:02 AM, Cedric Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > yes works well, but quite not a true desktop app: how would you > > > > stream Full HD video with AIR ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, and just to be the rah rah boy - AIR rocks. > > > > > > > > > > fine, shoot me, but it *works* well > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 7, 2008 7:33 PM, Arnoud Bos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Try screenweaver haxe (swhx) if you are not afraid of command > > > line > > > > > tools. > > > > > > > > > > Works great! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it's opensource (this is an open source list, right?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arnoud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:osflash- > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens bean tickler > > > > > Verzonden: donderdag 7 februari 2008 23:25 > > > > > Aan: [email protected] > > > > > Onderwerp: [osflash] MDM Zinc v3 rant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sad sad sad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too long have I and almost everyone I know suffered with this poor > > > > > product and its predecessors. 2.5 buggy buggy buggy. V3 beta, > > > buggy > > > > > but fine, BETA. V3 RELEASE, same as BETA, not one bug fixed from > > > > > what I can tell and they have ditched tons of the functionality > > > > > they had in 2.5!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why oh why do we bother??? Well, at one point they were the best > > > of > > > > > a bad bunch with shed loads of commands and slick marketing. > > > > > However, I feel the competitors have overtaken them. Just look at > > > > > the likes of Janus (a new but reliable tool) and SWF studio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me I would have loved to have stayed with SWF Studio but they > > > > > had no handheld or Mac output. Janus is my new favorite as it has > > > > > yet to cause me an embarrassing client crash and has Mac and Linux > > > > > output coming up). But wow, I feel soo dumb for ever buying Zinc!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every negative post on their "community" forum gets deleted, they > > > > > are now even checking posts _before_ they go live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the rant. But guessing this post wont be deleted!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > [ JPG ] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > : : ) Scott > > > > > > > > Helping your grandma on the interweb > > > > at: http://blog.criticalpile.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > osflash mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > : : ) Scott > > > > Helping your grandma on the interweb > > at: > > http://blog.criticalpile.com_______________________________________________ > > osflash mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > osflash mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > osflash mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > osflash mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > >
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