Dear Josef and all,

I have similar questions, suspicions and discussions that you raised. Yet, i 
also feel that we are in a process of combining all these :
feelings, senses, creativity, service, work, business, make a living, joy, 
business and responsibility. 

Regards,
Funda
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  Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Working with visual artists at an Open Space


  Hi Reinhard and all

   

  Your question describes very accurately my feelings of deep unease when it 
comes to how people of many "open space" institutes (such as Learning 
Organizations or Chaordic Alliance, for example) treat artists and their 
invaluable contributions all the while using the concept of artistic behavior 
to describe the new and innovative ways of doing business and how the new 
leadership in all walks of life should learn from jazz musicians, designers and 
architects. Yet, when you check how many artists are actually comprising the 
active leading teams of all those organizations all you will find is more of 
the same business and all old school management people who have suddenly 
realized how profitable is to sell their Ferrari after you moved your cheese 
out of the artists way. For most of those artists opening space is a daily and 
routine activity, done mostly with the deep visceral knowledge of how to 
balance content and form in the best possible way within a context of a given 
composition. And this is precisely because this knowledge is not based on 
mental conception there is such a deep distrust of any input coming from 
feelings and the senses, so I am not surprised a bit to hear that we are the 
addendum that one should be careful about as we might bring some true 
innovation and insights and tip the balance against the dominance of the ruling 
literary and word oriented elite.

   

  All the best

  Josef 

   

  Josef Ralt

  mobile:972528000278

  home:97236821621

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeralt


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  From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Visuelle 
Protokolle
  Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:34 AM
  To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
  Subject: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space

   

  Hi Chris, and all you others,

   

  I was hoping that your question would open a dialog I was seeking since 
years. Since years I am on this OS list, feeling that you and me are seeking 
for the same treasure in and on similar ways.

   

  But then I get Harrison's "One caution about visual artists and other such 
addendum" and ask me, and ask you: Are you, like me, an addendum to the process 
of self organizing people, helping them a bit as we can with our tools, or are 
you the high priests and I am the addendum?

   

   

  Mit freundlichen Grüßen

  best regards

   

  Reinhard

   

  VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE

  Kuchenmüller & Stifel

   

  tel +39-0566-88 929

  www.visuelle-protokolle.de

   

   


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  Von: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] Im Auftrag von Chris 
Corrigan
  Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. August 2006 18:51
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  Betreff: Working with visual artists at an Open Space

  Hi mates:

  I have an opportunity coming up in the fall to work with a visual artist for 
an Open Space I am doing.  The clients wants us to work together and I'm 
excited by the possibility, but haven't ever done that before.  

  So what kind of good stories do you have of working with visual artists (and 
visual art as a modality) in Open Space.

  Daniel?  Reinhardt?  Is Nancy Margulis around?  Others?

  Chris

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