"I agree with Josef that this is the artistic or creative process but
creativity is not limited to visual expression."
Pat Black
and expression and communication is not limited to words, so it's good to have
diversity and diverse ways of expression
and communication in the group. 2 contributions i can think of now :
1- people learn different ways to express themselves
2- expression by art, when it is practical and simple, saves time and energy in
communicating and connection
Funda
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From: Pat Black
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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Working with visual artists at an Open Space
Dear Funda and All
I have been reading this thread with great interest and actually agree with
every thought offered in the discussion. It is all true for me at least. For
me it is doesn't matter whether you operate in a visual or auditory mode. The
space can be closed or opened in any sensory mode. Whatever mode or
combinations of modes used need to allow for emergence of whatever to occur.
For the space to be open there needs to be detachment from the outcome.
Process and people and ideas need to be left alone so that something that was
invisible emerges. I agree with Josef that this is the artistic or creative
process but creativity is not limited to visual expression. Visual expression
for me is the place where the creative process is most challenging and
rewarding and facilitates my breaking through from the thinking process that
leads me to same old same old thinking. There isn't a way to creative process.
There are a banquet of choices for us to sample from.
The point for me is how to we make sure that there is a banquet of choices
and make sure that none of the choices are marginalized or trivialized. The
challenge rests there for me. I think Michael Herman had some interesting
insights in regards to this. Michael said,
NOW, all that said... IF the artist can step out of this sort of
default role of brilliant storyteller and documenter and work same as
the facilitator -- to invite everyone else to make up the story for
themselves, now that seems something entirely different to me. the
artist as invitation, the artist who never sketches anything -- but
somehow finishes the day with a wall full of pictures by others... now
that is what i call artistic opening!
i'm not interested in bringing others in to do things that we think
participants can't do for themselves. i want to invite participants
to do it *all* for themselves. that, to me, is what open space is
for... discovering that we can do it for ourselves... that we have the
bullet points, the artful sketch, the passion, the responsiblity, the
vision and the action within each and all of us.
If our goal is to provide a space where we can all emerge more fully and more
dimensionally than what Michael is saying is true, for me at least. And in
order to accomplish the realization of everyone's artist then we have to
provide the space and materials for that to happen. You can't speak in a visual
or musical language with out the tools of that language and fluent speakers. I
think what Michael is getting at is that the most important role artists,
musicians and poets can play is not as note takers, although some may want to
serve as visual note takers. There most powerful influence is as guides for
how to move down unknown paths and for most people in my experience with a lot
of baggage from unsuccessful experiences trying to speak the language. If I
were to critique open space events for there commitment to emergence in
multiple modalities than I would be looking for spaces and tools and materials
for those languages to occur in. I would also be looking to invite
participants who are fluent speakers in the language who can help non-speakers
become satisfied with their own expression in the language.
Pat Black
On 8/22/06, Funda Oral <fundao...@ttnet.net.tr> wrote:
Dear Josef and all,
I have similar questions, suspicions and discussions that you raised. Yet,
i also feel that we are in a process of combining all these :
feelings, senses, creativity, service, work, business, make a living, joy,
business and responsibility.
Regards,
Funda
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From: joralt
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Working with visual artists at an Open Space
Hi Reinhard and all
Your question describes very accurately my feelings of deep unease when it
comes to how people of many "open space" institutes (such as Learning
Organizations or Chaordic Alliance, for example) treat artists and their
invaluable contributions all the while using the concept of artistic behavior
to describe the new and innovative ways of doing business and how the new
leadership in all walks of life should learn from jazz musicians, designers and
architects. Yet, when you check how many artists are actually comprising the
active leading teams of all those organizations all you will find is more of
the same business and all old school management people who have suddenly
realized how profitable is to sell their Ferrari after you moved your cheese
out of the artists way. For most of those artists opening space is a daily and
routine activity, done mostly with the deep visceral knowledge of how to
balance content and form in the best possible way within a context of a given
composition. And this is precisely because this knowledge is not based on
mental conception there is such a deep distrust of any input coming from
feelings and the senses, so I am not surprised a bit to hear that we are the
addendum that one should be careful about as we might bring some true
innovation and insights and tip the balance against the dominance of the ruling
literary and word oriented elite.
All the best
Josef
Josef Ralt
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home:97236821621
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:34 AM
To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
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Hi Chris, and all you others,
I was hoping that your question would open a dialog I was seeking since
years. Since years I am on this OS list, feeling that you and me are seeking
for the same treasure in and on similar ways.
But then I get Harrison's "One caution about visual artists and other such
addendum" and ask me, and ask you: Are you, like me, an addendum to the process
of self organizing people, helping them a bit as we can with our tools, or are
you the high priests and I am the addendum?
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
best regards
Reinhard
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. August 2006 18:51
An: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu
Betreff: Working with visual artists at an Open Space
Hi mates:
I have an opportunity coming up in the fall to work with a visual artist
for an Open Space I am doing. The clients wants us to work together and I'm
excited by the possibility, but haven't ever done that before.
So what kind of good stories do you have of working with visual artists
(and visual art as a modality) in Open Space.
Daniel? Reinhardt? Is Nancy Margulis around? Others?
Chris
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