yes yes josef, this is how it could be. the artist showing/inviting people how to see and sketch things out in these other ways, the same as the facilitator inviting/showing them how to *move* in new ways. all good. i can well imagine it happening both ways, though. the reason i mention this 'default of brilliant storyteller...' is that that is, with one exception, the only way i've ever seen meeting organizers have artists involved... to capture a visual record themselves, not to help others capture that record for themselves. so yes, it can happen both ways, and i do have a preference for this way you're suggesting... what i would call showing/inviting how to capture, rather than capturing directly.
and yes, pat... many modes. one of the most memorable osonos events for me was when lisa kimball and anne stadler went out and bought a pile of toobers and zots... foam tubes and connectors and a bunch of us made silly shapes. i made a crazy hat contraption and wore it all day on day two. at the end of the day, i saw anne at the elevator and thanked her for her gift to us. i explained that i'd had a great day and suggested that now i might have to wear this magic hat everyday. anne's response was brilliant and immediate: "it might be the person underneath the hat." m On 8/22/06, joralt <jor...@netvision.net.il> wrote:
Dear Michael I have no idea where did you take the image of an artist as someone who is supposed to take away from the group their own story telling by imposing his own artful interpretations and how did you arrive to conclusion that the artist's "default role of brilliant storyteller and documenter" is what artist's job really supposed to be? In my experience, working with visual material allowing people to use unsophisticated and non-professional image making as a tool to extract deep insight into a problem or a burning issue has always resulted in a very positive and many times a surprised reaction at the profoundness and inclusiveness of those insights. What is more, with a very little guidance, most people have no problem to read and correctly interpret the visual data that adds a significant emotional and sensual information that goes beyond the judgmental tendency of cerebral verbiage. It is exactly the image of an artist as some sort of a specially gifted and sometimes eccentric individual that has created the isolation of the artist in specialized ghettos, with the result of profound neglect of the search for a balance between content and form almost in all areas of life .The fact that all content needs design to be meaningful and good design is not limited to artistic forms is exactly what can be the artist's contribution to the society in general and to an alternative ways of communication, interaction and creativity in many specific settings, open space included. Josef Josef Ralt mobile:972528000278 home:97236821621 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeralt -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Herman Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:05 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Working with visual artists at an Open Space hi all, not as simple as both addendums, i think... the facilitator comes in with no knowledge of the real work of the organization, makes a short opening invitation and explanation of the process, and then is *poof* mostly gone from view. when he/she does show up, it's usually only to ask the group to tell itself what is happening. the artist, on the other hand, comes in and listens the same as everybody else, perhaps to technical language that they don't quite understand, any more than the facilitator would, but what the artist does is quite different. he/she sits in sessions, listening to the details, capturing the notes -- same as participants and conveners... but the artists are professional note-takers, and their product is so much more accessible than a few pages of typed notes. on the other hand, the artist doesn't really grasp or record the details any more than the facilitator does, so the drawings might be interesting but not enough to act on. the typed notes are still important... if we are here for action. depending on the circumstances, it seems that the pictures might overwhelm the text notes. that seems out of line with our intentions in opening space. we want people to make their own stories, with whatever tools they might have. is the artist's work beautiful, interesting, magical, and more. yes, of course. but what if i am a great story teller? would i ever get up and attempt to 'keynote' the closing circle with my own summation? never. so i'm not sure why i would ever want an artist to come in and be summarizing people's stories for them, taking them to some level of expression that, as beautiful as it might be, is not somehting that the group can sustain for themselves. NOW, all that said... IF the artist can step out of this sort of default role of brilliant storyteller and documenter and work same as the facilitator -- to invite everyone else to make up the story for themselves, now that seems something entirely different to me. the artist as invitation, the artist who never sketches anything -- but somehow finishes the day with a wall full of pictures by others... now that is what i call artistic opening! i'm not interested in bringing others in to do things that we think participants can't do for themselves. i want to invite participants to do it *all* for themselves. that, to me, is what open space is for... discovering that we can do it for ourselves... that we have the bullet points, the artful sketch, the passion, the responsiblity, the vision and the action within each and all of us. m On 8/21/06, Harrison Owen <hho...@adelphia.net> wrote: > > > Reinhard -- I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. And if it will make you > feel any better you should know that when I facilitate an Open Space I > consider myself an "addendum" My job is to get out of the way as quickly as > possible so that the people can do what only the people can do. > > > Harrison > > Harrison Owen > 7808 River Falls Dr. > Potomac, MD 20854 > USA > 301-365-2093 > 207-763-3261 (summer) > website www.openspaceworld.com > Personal Website www.ho-image.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Visuelle Protokolle > To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:34 AM > Subject: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space > > > Hi Chris, and all you others, > > I was hoping that your question would open a dialog I was seeking since > years. Since years I am on this OS list, feeling that you and me are seeking > for the same treasure in and on similar ways. > > But then I get Harrison's "One caution about visual artists and other such > addendum" and ask me, and ask you: Are you, like me, an addendum to the > process of self organizing people, helping them a bit as we can with our > tools, or are you the high priests and I am the addendum? > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > best regards > > Reinhard > > VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE > Kuchenmüller & Stifel > > tel +39-0566-88 929 > www.visuelle-protokolle.de > > > ________________________________ > Von: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] Im Auftrag von Chris > Corrigan > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. August 2006 18:51 > An: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > Betreff: Working with visual artists at an Open Space > > > Hi mates: > > I have an opportunity coming up in the fall to work with a visual artist for > an Open Space I am doing. The clients wants us to work together and I'm > excited by the possibility, but haven't ever done that before. > > So what kind of good stories do you have of working with visual artists (and > visual art as a modality) in Open Space. > > Daniel? Reinhardt? Is Nancy Margulis around? 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