Dear Harrison ~ Perhaps the crux of this biscuit we’re munching is Ultimaticity. (The word just occurred to me and I just looked it up and it doesn’t appear to exist, so a good place to begin, yes?)
Really I’m just borrowing from Ken Wilber again. Somewhere along the way he said we all have a feeling-sense of what is Ultimate. For some of us, what is Ultimate is magical or religious or spiritual. For others what is Ultimate is found in the the natural world, and for others the Ultimate is found in the wonders of science. What has been interesting to me as I’ve bumped in and out of the Open Space community over the years is this pervading attraction to to the mystery of self-organization, along with this inkling that there is something of Ultimaticity about that. Then a decade or so ago I fell into awareness of Adi Da Samraj, an unfolding that has shattered all my previous understandings of Ultimaticity. And then over time there emerged a synchronicity where at the same time that I was observing these conversations on the OS list-serve about self-organization, I would come across statements about self-organization in Adi Da Samraj’s teaching, including statements from Not-Two Is Peace, which I just now opened randomly to this: “The self-ordering system of humankind must be free to put itself in order. Humankind will self-organize itself if it is free to do so, and it must no longer be prohibited from so doing by the separatist factionalisms of the “tribal” mind." So Harrison, you often speak of self-organization in terms that evoke a sense of Ultimaticity. This community experiences a tacit heart-response to what is right and true about that. When I feel and see all of this happening, I am heart-moved to share Adi Da Samraj’s teaching related to self-organization with you, because that teaching connects directly with what is already happening here. Love, Julie > On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> wrote: > > Good old OSLIST suffered something of a glitch, sending/not sending bits and > pieces. In order to make a semi-intelligible piece I have done a little > editing and hopefully no deep violence to Julie Smith’s ideas... And Julie, > sorry it took so long, but this birthday thing sort of got in the way. > Ho J > > *********************** > > Julie said: “The more I’ve been thinking about the relationship between > self-organizing with self-correcting and self-rightening, the more complex it > all looks. Take cancer for example, or gangs. Are these both examples of > self-organization? Self-organization that is destructive (not > self-correcting or self-rightening) rather than constructive? So maybe > self-organizing is not inherently good, but is only good if done in a way > that is self-rightening and self-correcting?” > > Harrison: “Julie – I rather suspect that self organization covers a much > larger territory than the more limited range of preferred outcomes we might > choose. Gangs and Cancer would be cases in point. What you call a gang, I > might call “brothers.” And were you to interview a cancer cell, I suspect it > would report that it was doing just what it was supposed to. Both gangs and > cancer are very much a part of what we call “Life,” even if that Life does > not proceed exactly as we might wish it to. And it is all self organizing, I > do believe.” > > Julie: “I can see how we could legitimately refer to gangs as “brothers” in > the very same way that Thich Nhat Hahn wrote about pirates in Call Me By My > True Names (http://www.quietspaces.com/poemHanh.html > <http://www.quietspaces.com/poemHanh.html>), but if we look around and see > that we are, indeed, careening toward mutual self-destruction, we might also > see that it is imperative that we find out what is happening, and why, and > what we might do about it. And we should probably do that before it is too > late.” > > The conversation continues... > > Julie – the points you raise are all critical, and we do indeed seem to be > making somewhat of a mess of things in many places, to put it mildly. All > that said, I am not sure than any of this has directly much to do with self > organization per se, except in a very “arms length,” derivative sense. The > reason is that self organization, as I have come to experience it, is a > pre-existing condition, a prior reality, a fundamental matrix out of which > all the nasty issues you cite, in addition to all the marvelous wonderments > of our lives, do emerge. You might call this “neutral,” but I would prefer, > “Life affirming”... and that is Life in its total rich abundance, including > the good, the bad, and the ugly. All of it. Without judgment or blame. > > “Life Affirming” may seem an odd thought... but if I hear the story > correctly, It all began when it began, and ever since, through primal > superheated plasma to the present moment, the force of self organization has > moved towards life. In the words of Ilya Prigogine (used in a narrower > context) we... that would be all of Life...emerged out of chaos on our way > towards, “...new and higher levels of complexity.” Life in its fullness is > self organization made manifest. That is affirmation, I believe. Are we the > end of the line? Who knows... > > But of course, there are the nasty parts. Their names are legion, and known > in every age. Oh were it possible to wipe them all away, and lord knows we > have tried our damnedest. And in truth it is really easy: eliminate life. As > the fellow once said, curing cancer is no problem. Living through the cure > may be another issue. Obviously this is a sick sort of joke, but there may > be more than a modicum of truth in it... > > When speaking of the “nasty parts,” it seems to me that they come in at least > two varieties: What I might call Natural Disasters and then there are self > inflicted wounds. Sandy and Katrina are good representatives of the former, > and our multiple wars and genocides constitute the latter. Gross over > simplification for sure, and of course there are combinations where a natural > disaster becomes a catastrophe because of our blindness, stupidity, or worse. > Think the Johnstown Flood, for example, or Climate change. > > From our (human point of view) the net impact of all of the above is pretty > much the same: suffering, destruction and death. Definitely nasty, but I > think it worthwhile to remember that the cosmos was not created for our > comfort. In fact we are lately arrived, minor players. Doubtless if we had > been present at the beginning, we might have offered some useful design > tweaks. But we weren’t there. It is also true that we could never have a nice > day at the beach were it not for the violent storms that broke the rocks to > create the sand. It is not my point to disparage our attempts to mitigate > natural disasters, but for the purposes of this discussion, I think we might > best concentrate on the other end of the spectrum: Self inflicted wounds. > What can we do about all that? > > In a curious way, it seems to me that the problem is that we may be doing too > much. Cataloguing the ills that afflict us (or more accurately that we > inflict upon ourselves) is tedious but possible. And for each problem there > is presumably a fix – which we work hard to identify, design and implement. > The fix might be a simple intervention, teaching the principles of Dialogue > in order to fix conflicted communication, for example. Or it may be a more > massive effort such as a complex moral code which if followed, is supposed to > enable lions to lay down with lambs. I think we should award ourselves “A” > for Effort... but when it comes to impact and results most would agree that > there seems to be something missing somewhere. > > Actually, a deeper look at our efforts and their effect is even more > troubling. In many (maybe most) cases our “fix” becomes our problem. Take the > example of Dialogue Principles. Developed over a number of years’ careful > work these principles describe truly elegant conversation. However, in every > instance I have been witness to, implementing these principles in real > conversation seems to create precisely the problems they were designed to > prevent. The natural flow of give and take in conversation is disrupted. To > my eyes/ears, the issue is that the Principles, while abstractly appealing > can never fully capture the rhythm and cadence of natural conversation which > is always unique. The Principles are “average best practices.” Unfortunately > the “average” never shows up in life, and forcing Life to fit the average is > a good way to suffocate it. Our thoughtful “fix” has become a new problem. > > On a grander scale, the multiple moral codes created by human kind produce > similar results. The intent and the effort is certainly to be applauded, but > when it comes to implementation it seems, once again, we have something of a > miss. I would never suggest that such codes, whether religious or secular in > origin, are useless – for if nothing else they have provided “best practice > scenarios” for meaningful human life. Yet when observed in their minutia the > Life they seek to preserve is usually squashed. And it becomes worse when my > code clashes with your code, as both conflict with their code. People can and > have been killed for all of this on a regular basis. If this is a fix, I > think we need a fix for the fix... or something. > > Or something... Suppose we were just to stop for a moment, take a deep breath > and see what might happen all by itself, naturally so to speak. Finding a > quiet space in which to savor this pause that might refresh will appear > difficult if only because every where we turn our clashing moral codes > continue their cacophony overlaid by the dissonant noise of our multiple > interventions and fixes...but we do have such a time/space whenever we choose > to go there. > > Speaking just for myself, but with agreement from many of you, I suspect – I > call it Open Space. The single gift that Good Old OST has granted me, that > shines above all others, is that awesome silence in which the full richness > of Life makes manifest. We don’t do a thing, and the less we do the deeper > and richer the silence. To be sure there are some “principles and a Law” – > which turn out to be unlike any others. They are not prescriptions for our > behavior. They are descriptions of what will happen anyway without special > effort or intent on our part. All by themselves. Yes of course, there are > conversations and movements, arguments, hugs, and celebrations – but if you > just take a moment in an out of the way corner to expectantly watch and > listen, you will find yourself immersed in the flow of Life, which is at once > affirmative and renewing. > > It is tempting to see such moments as once done, never to be repeated, but in > spite of our (or certainly my) normal skepticism, the “moment” has occurred > over and over with millions of people in thousands of places – people with > every sort of religious tradition, moral code, economic background, > educational level, ethnicity, professional status, age or character – It > makes no difference at all! And it happens all by itself! > > A story might help. A few years ago, Michael Pannwitz and I worked with some > 250 Rabbis and Imams seeking Peace. It was a three day gathering and on the > first day, in deference to the traditional nature of the participants, the > sponsors determined that we should start in a traditional way. That meant > rows of chairs facing a dais with multiple speeches by the appropriate > people, such as The Chief Rabbi from Jerusalem and Imams of similar rank. > They had come from all over the world. Not too long into the speech making, > the crowd grew more than a little restless, and by the end of the morning > they were standing on the tables, screaming at each other. Not quite peaceful. > > I wasn’t present for all of that, but I could hear the noise... and suddenly > I found myself faced by a most distraught sponsor. He had a single question: > How quickly could we open some space? Since it was almost lunch time, we > opted for a long one and in the middle of the afternoon, the 250, now seated > in a circle did what we’ve always done: Raise the issues of passionate > concern and post them on the wall. Surprisingly this was done in an orderly > respectful fashion, and after several hours the action stopped and the walls > were filled with every issue you could possible imagine and many you never > heard of. Since the day had been a long one it seemed well to head for > dinner with space to be opened on the morrow. Though truth to tell, the space > had already transformed and powerful, flowing conversations were well under > way. > > On the morning, a few more issues were posted, and the normal ambience of > Open Space took over. Groups formed and reformed in the giant atrium of our > hotel, conversations serious and raucous, quiet and judicial blended in what > I can only describe as a symphony of sound – which paradoxically struck me as > a profound and rich silence. Words fail, but something like “pregnant > silence,” might be close to what I experienced. > > As usual I did nothing. I sat in a little alcove totally enthralled by the > majesty of the moment. After a while my eyes were drawn to a most unlikely > pair in the very center of the atrium, sitting all alone. Facing each other > in simple straight backed chairs was an old Rabbi who I knew to be Rabbi > Pappenheim, the Chief Ultra Orthodox Rabbi from Jerusalem. His partner was a > young lady, a Moslem from Jakarta. They spoke for hours and never moved, > acting as if the world had simply disappeared. Or then again, perhaps they > were the world in that moment. And it happened all by itself. > > So Julie... Could this be the answer to your “cri de Coeur?” Probably not, > but it might be a start. > “but if we look around and see that we are, indeed, careening toward mutual > self-destruction, we might also see that it is imperative that we find out > what is happening, and why, and what we might do about it. And we should > probably do that before it is too late (Julie).” > > > The mess we are in is massive and complex – 8 billion people going in at > least 8 billion directions. The tools at our disposal (interventions, > political systems, new programs) are simply overwhelmed by the immensity of > the challenge. Just to take one example – Group work of various sorts. > Granted it can be very effective in a limited situation, but the fact of the > matter is that we have neither the facilitators or the physical spaces to > transform the minds and behaviors of 8 billion, and counting. It just doesn’t > scale and a severe state of depression would be warranted unless... > > ...unless we do have a secret weapon, an ally whose aim and goal is to affirm > what we want: Life. If so we would do well to learn all we can about it, and > even more importantly, learn to cooperate even when it seems counter > intuitive or wrong to do. Might just work. > > Harrison > > > > Winter Address > 7808 River Falls Drive > Potomac, MD 20854 > 301-365-2093 > > Summer Address > 189 Beaucaire Ave. > Camden, ME 04843 > 207-763-3261 > > Websites > www.openspaceworld.com <x-msg://1/%20www.openspaceworld.com> > www.ho-image.com <x-msg://1/www.ho-image.com> > OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > OSLIST Go > to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of Julie Smith via > OSList > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 5:13 PM > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > Subject: [OSList] Fwd: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > > Harrison kindly pointed out to me that I sent the following message only to > him, and not all, so here it is again..... :) > > Julie > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Julie Smith <jsm...@mosquitonet.com <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com>> > Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:31 AM > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > To: Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net <mailto:hho...@verizon.net>> > > > Dear Harrison ~ > > I can see how we could legitimately refer to gangs as “brothers” in the very > same way that Thich Nhat Hahn wrote about pirates in Call Me By My True Names > (http://www.quietspaces.com/poemHanh.html > <http://www.quietspaces.com/poemHanh.html>), but if we look around and see > that we are, indeed, careening toward mutual self-destruction, we might also > see that it is imperative that we find out what is happening, and why, and > what we might do about it. And we should probably do that before it is too > late. > > Ken Wilber raised awareness of many useful ideas, among them research related > to adult human development. Wilber was reluctant to talk about “higher” and > “lower” development because people resist those kinds of ideas. We are in a > time when egalitarian points of views hold much sway. But he defined > “higher” and “lower” in a way that may be useful to this discussion. Wilber > said any of us can easily recognize “higher” human development because > “higher” development always reflects an embrace of more: more humanity, more > beings, more of all. So a person who cares about himself is at one level, at > a higher level she cares about family, then community, then nation, then > world, then planet. Something like that. So call a gang “brothers” if you > like, but those “brothers” are killing others of our brothers and sisters and > children. This is not neutral. It is wrong. Wrong for those who are being > killed, and wrong for those doing the killing. It is a sickness. The > sickness is rooted in other sickness that permeates our world, and all of it > needs to be addressed. The only being that can address it is us, > understanding and acting as everybody-all-at-once. > > Julie > > >> On Dec 1, 2014, at 5:54 AM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net >> <mailto:hho...@verizon.net>> wrote: >> >> Julie – I rather suspect that self organization covers a much larger >> territory than the more limited range of preferred outcomes we might choose. >> Gangs and Cancer would be cases in point. What you call a gang, I might call >> “brothers.” And were you to interview a cancer cell, I suspect it would >> report that it was doing just what it was supposed to. Both gangs and cancer >> are very much a part of what we call “Life,” even if that Life does not >> proceed exactly as we might wish it to. And it is all self organizing, I do >> believe. >> >> Harrison >> >> Winter Address >> 7808 River Falls Drive >> Potomac, MD 20854 >> 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093> >> >> Summer Address >> 189 Beaucaire Ave. >> Camden, ME 04843 >> 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261> >> >> Websites >> www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> >> www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/> >> OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> OSLIST Go >> to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >> >> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org >> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of Julie Smith >> via OSList >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 2:35 AM >> To: John Baxter; World wide Open Space Technology email list >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' >> >> Hi John ~ >> The more I’ve been thinking about the relationship between self-organizing >> with self-correcting and self-rightening, the more complex it all looks. >> Take cancer for example, or gangs. Are these both examples of >> self-organization? Self-organization that is destructive (not >> self-correcting or self-rightening) rather than constructive? So maybe >> self-organizing is not inherently good, but is only good if done in a way >> that is self-rightening and self-correcting? >> As for Adi Da’s use of the term “system”, note that he talks about bits of >> the system in 6.2 and then references the system as a totality in 6.6. This >> essay is about the bits interfering with the totality. Exactly like cancer, >> or gangs. This fragmentation of bits in opposition to the totality is a key >> aspect of what there is to understand. In another part of the book, Adi Da >> says “fragmentation leaves people open to being controlled and manipulated…. >> fragmentation is what power-seekers exploit….” >> >> The totality of humankind has not yet recognized itself (ourselves) as a >> single system. We, everybody-all-at-once, do not yet see ourselves as a >> single totality, a single system. Because we are not acting as a single >> system, we have not yet identified the rules and accountability that would >> enable our continued co-existence. Not-Two Is Peace was written to help us >> see humanity as a single system that has the power and the responsibility to >> act for the common good. If we don’t participate in this expanding >> awareness and responsibility, we will continue careening downhill with a >> stave in the wheels, headed toward destruction. >> >> My comments are my best understanding in this moment, but they fall far >> short of the teaching in Not-Two Is Peace, which is profound. I typed in >> just that one brief essay. The book contains a great deal more. >> >> Julie >> >> >>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 9:16 PM, John Baxter <j...@jsbaxter.com.au >>> <mailto:j...@jsbaxter.com.au>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Julie >>> >>> An interesting and very engaging essay. I could imagine a substantial >>> discussion from ruminating on it. >>> >>> I am inclined to analytically 'umbrella' self righting and self correcting >>> as examples of self organisation... but I would be pleased for this to >>> prove simplistic. They both look like 'self organisation towards a >>> particular end' (righting / correcting). >>> >>> I have some reservation with the quote you pull out... the message is >>> solid, but it confuses 'the system'... 'the system' cannot be bypassed, as >>> it encompasses every effort to bypass it... by intersecting with the >>> system, an intervention becomes part of it. What is bypassed is the formal >>> system, the rules and structures. >>> >>> Still the messages are solid and that's going straight into the bookmarks >>> re consideration of global self organisation. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> John Baxter >>> Cocreation Consultant & CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator >>> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com >>> <http://cocreateadl.com/> >>> 0405 447 829 >>> | >>> @jsbaxter <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> >>> _ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City >>> Grill! <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ >>> <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 4:47 AM, Julie Smith <jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> wrote: <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> Dear all ~ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>> In Not-Two Is Peace Adi Da sometimes lists self-organizing with >>> self-rightening and self-correcting in a way that infers these are >>> complementary concepts. I wonder if in some ways these terms are >>> interchangeable. I’m thinking about this question because I recently >>> noticed this statement about the relationship between systems and >>> self-correction: <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>> “Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now the case >>> globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore. It is just >>> careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels. It is inevitable >>> that it is going to self-destruct.” <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> The context for this comment is an essay on rightening the current global >>> instability, but perhaps there is something in the essay that may move the >>> more general conversation about self-organization forward. This is a brief >>> essay, so I’ll share it in its entirety here for anyone who might be >>> interested: <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> On Establishing Rules of Participation For A Global Cooperative Order >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.1 Presently, the international community has no effective way of dealing >>> with geopolitical issues, because it is fundamentally about “tribes” in >>> competition with one another. There is no force that embodies everybody >>> and that, therefore, can effectively deal with the system as a whole. >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.2 Bits of the system are always confronting one another. Therefore, >>> those who hold out or want to “play it hard” wind up controlling the whole >>> system. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.3 In general, the so-called “big powers” are bypassing rules and playing >>> for dominance. But everybody is playing their part in the “tribal” >>> struggle-game, which is not in the interest of humankind, and it is not >>> survivable. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.4 Rules and accountability are essential for any system. Any notion >>> that you can bypass such accountability is a lie in the name of serving >>> some kind of “self”-interest. And this disposition is creating every >>> crisis. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.5 Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now the >>> case globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore. It is just >>> careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels. It is inevitable >>> that it is going to self-destruct. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.6 Therefore, the international power-struggles have to be replaced by a >>> systems-based order with rules and limits established. It is only when the >>> system can represent itself as a totality and keep its rules in front of >>> everyone that the system can correct itself. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.7 A rational and positive global situation requires rules for >>> participation, based on global interdependence and prior unity—rather than >>> being based on nation-states or other groups engaging in reactive measures >>> in the face of being provoked or (otherwise) acting aggressively to extend >>> their influence. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.8 The process for dealing with global realities should not be merely >>> punitive. Rules for participation should be established—and then doors >>> would be either opened or closed, based on whether any given nation-state >>> or other entity abides by those rules. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.9 Participation should be the one thing everybody values—not >>> competition, not dominance and victory over all, but participation in a >>> global system that allows every nation-state, every human domain, to >>> survive and enjoy essential well-being and the growth potential and >>> benefits of participation in the whole. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.10 The rules of participation in the global community should not be >>> arbitrary, or set up to favor certain parties over others. The rules of >>> participation should establish positive and equal participation for >>> everyone, with no double standards that require some to obey the rules >>> while others do not. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.11 The Global Cooperative Forum is the system of everybody-all-at-once >>> reasserting itself and establishing rules of participation that put all >>> matters of global business equitably on the table—including matters of >>> severe chronic conflict, competition for resources, degradation of the >>> environment and disruption of weather-patterns, poverty, disease, and so >>> forth. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> 6.12 Right rules of participation will establish an entirely different >>> principle than nation-state competitiveness. It will allow humankind as a >>> whole to become a functioning system—a system to which all parties get >>> access by fulfilling certain obligations and responsibilities, which apply >>> everywhere. <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> The full text of Not-Two Is Peace is available through bookstores, via >>> Kindle download, or at http://www.da-peace.org. >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> All best wishes ~ <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> Julie <mailto:jsm...@mosquitonet.com> >>> <http://www.da-peace.org/> >>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList >>>> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: <http://www.da-peace.org/> >>>> <http://www.da-peace.org/> >>>> John – the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a >>>> number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. >>>> That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all >>>> – to the best of my knowledge – are still in print. In historical order >>>> they are: “Order out of Chaos,” Ilya Prigogine, “Chaos,” James Gleick, >>>> and “At home in the Universe” Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting >>>> with “Chaos” – which is the best written and pulls together lots of >>>> wonderful strands. <http://www.da-peace.org/> >>>> <http://www.da-peace.org/> >>>> Harrison <http://www.da-peace.org/> >>>> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> Winter Address <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> 7808 River Falls Drive <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> Potomac, MD 20854 <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> 301-365-2093 <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> Summer Address <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> Camden, ME 04843 <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> 207-763-3261 <tel:301-365-2093> >>>> <tel:301-365-2093> >>>> Websites <tel:301-365-2093> >>>> www.openspaceworld.com <tel:301-365-2093> >>>> www.ho-image.com <tel:301-365-2093> >>>> OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives >>>> of OSLIST Go >>>> to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>> <tel:207-763-3261> >>>> <tel:207-763-3261> >>>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of >>>> John Baxter via OSList >>>> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM >>>> To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list >>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' >>>> <tel:207-763-3261> >>>> <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> >>>> Great idea Daniel <http://www.ho-image.com/> >>>> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >>>> Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in >>>> Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the >>>> works now), but I know there is much more there. >>>> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come >>>> across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of >>>> print and the like... <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind >>>> of thing I imagine myself doing over summer. >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> I've now saved those links to my reference list : ) >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems >>>> from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation. >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> Cheers <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> John Baxter <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> Cocreation Consultant & CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> jsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> 0405 447 829 <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> | <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> @jsbaxter_ <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City >>>> Grill! <http://cocreateadl.com/> >>>> Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ >>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/> >>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/> >>>> <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList >>>> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>>> There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely >>>> discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I >>>> wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful >>>> in the discussion. >>>> >>>> Example: stigmergy >>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy >>>> Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or >>>> actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an >>>> action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a >>>> different agent. >>>> >>>> More details >>>> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html >>>> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html >>>> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html >>>> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html >>>> >>>> Daniel <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>>> On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote: >>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>Hello facilitators of self >>>> organisation <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>>>> <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>>> Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or >>>>> 'practice'. >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern >>>>> hemisphere!). >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is less >>>>> than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I >>>>> realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community >>>>> organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered >>>>> Qs about what 'self org' is (indeed, if it is anything at all). >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research >>>>> project, and sharing the results in a report or the like. >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> - what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"? >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> - what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow >>>>> wave rider: >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done? >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> Who should be involved in doing it? >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> Thank you for contributing to the quest! >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> John Baxter >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> Cocreation Consultant & CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> jsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> 0405 447 829 >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> | >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> @jsbaxter_ >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >>>>> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City >>>>> Grill <http://cocreateadl.com/> >>>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/> >>>>> ! <http://cocreateadl.com/> >>>>> Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ >>>>> <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>>>> <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>>>> <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>>>> OSList mailing list <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>>>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>>> -- <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> Daniel Mezick, President <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> New Technology Solutions Inc. <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell) >>>> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >>>> Bio. 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