Rosa,

Thanks for your thoughts on the essay, [The Tyranny of Structurelessness.]

You say:
"....offer clear ways for people to contribute, so that it's clear and *_explicit_*, how people can become more involved, and thus gain greater social currency in constructive ways."

The author of the essay says:
"For everyone to have the opportunity to be involved in a given group and to participate in its activities, the structure must be _*explicit*_, not implicit. "

It appears you have studied similar material and know the topic, and what you are talking about...

...except that bit about me being fearless at the end.

Because, I'm afraid that what you are calling "fearlessness" in me might best be described as "foolishness."


Curioius Question: Does OSLIST constitute an "unstructured group?"

My Best Regards,
Daniel




On 10/5/15 4:10 PM, Rosa Zubizarreta wrote:
Hi Daniel,

The writing you shared may well challenge some of our assumptions -- the word "structure" is at least as loaded in our culture as the word "power" or the word "leader" -- yet it does not, to my mind, challenge our practice of OST.

Indeed, one of the great things about OST is that it's really clear how to be involved... you go up to the marketplace, announce your session, and post it. That is a very clear and explicit way of being involved, in my book...

Now, when we extrapolate from OST gatherings, to talking about how organizations could or should, be structured or unstructured... that's a whole other ball of wax.

I can't find the references right now, but there are a few other authors who also write very clearly and eloquently about the same phenomenon that is described in the Tyranny of Structurelessness. One is the pagan eco-activist organizer and writer Starhawk. She has worked for eons as part of radical social change activist groups who strive to be egalitarian, etc., so reading her thoughts about the inevitability of informal power arrangements arising in groups, and what to do about it, including clear and simple and helpful structures can help minimize it, was hugely valuable for me.

Basically what she says is that people are always developing informal power hierarchies, based on charisma, or looks, or previous friendships, etc.... and that some of the best ways of working with that, include a) making it something that can be acknowledged and explored, rather than it being an "undiscussable" because we are "supposed to be an egalitaran group".... and b) to offer clear ways for people to contribute, so that it's clear and explicit, how people can become more involved, and thus gain greater social currency in constructive ways. (I am majorly paraphrasing here, with a quite rusty memory, so please don't take any of this too literally.)

Sorry I can't give you references at the moment... my library is spread out over a few different households at present. But thank you for your own fearlessness in raising this topic.

with all best wishes,

Rosa



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On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Greeting Marie, Anna, Dirk, Michael, Rosa, JL, Harrison (...did I
    miss anyone? sorry of I did) ...

    <DISCLAMER> I do like this essay. A lot. </DISCLAMER>

    Thanks for interacting around this provocative essay "The Tyranny
    of Structurelessness."

    The essay certainly does challenge some of our most cherished
    assumptions, doesn't it?

    The essay is issuing a clear and specific warning about tyranny
    developing in groups that value "structurelessness."

    I hold this as a (current) belief, about healthy groups:
    /"For everyone to have the opportunity to be involved in a given
    group and to participate in its activities, the structure must be
    explicit, not implicit. //"/



    Reiterating some of the key assertions (provocations?) in the
    essay, "The Tyranny of Structurelessness"...

    ....for a moment, let's pretend the following assertions by the
    author are true.

    Assuming these assertions **are** true, what are some of the
    implications ?


      * Contrary to what we would like to believe, there is no such
        thing as a structureless group.


      * This means that to strive for a structureless group is as
        useful, and as deceptive, as to aim at an "objective" news
        story, "value-free" social science, or a "free" economy. A
        "laissez faire" group is about as realistic as a "laissez
        faire" society; the idea becomes a smokescreen for the strong
        or the lucky to establish unquestioned hegemony over others.


      * This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of
        "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal
        structures, only formal ones.


      * For everyone to have the opportunity to be involved in a given
        group and to participate in its activities, the structure must
        be explicit, not implicit.


      * It is this informal structure, particularly in Unstructured
        groups, which forms the basis for elites.





    On 10/5/15 12:38 PM, Marie Nelson via OSList wrote:
    Interesting array of perspectives on structures. I sometimes distinguish 
between content structures (agendas, syllabi that function for command and 
control) and process structures (that liberate people/learners to interact at 
the point of choice).

    Marie





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    To: Harrison Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list
    Subject: Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

    Dear Daniel, thank you for sharing the synopsis of the essay. Sounds very 
valuable to me!

    Rosa, yes I am also a 'green' lover - but living with the assumption that I 
am pretty aware of the shadows...

    For me sitting in a circle is a structure. Starting with a break is another 
element of structure. Allowing participants to co-create the agenda is a 
structure. Etc.

    Harrison, I don't understand why you say structure is only a figment of our 
imagination.

    I believe structure is something very real - even if it's not always as 
tangible as the structure of a house - how we structure time, decision making, 
dialogue, sharing, connecting ... Coffee breaks, all pretty real stuff to me.

    I believe nobody is obliged to follow a given structure. But structure - if 
it's purposefully designed can enable people to enter into a state of flow with 
ease and joy.

    Of course structure is not the only reason why we experience flow, joy and 
ease in a meeting.

    Let's take the example of a tomato. The wooden structure that holds the 
tomato is not determining how the tomato grows, but if purposefully placed  it 
can supports the tomato to grow.

    The tomato's purpose is not to follow the wooden structure, the tomato is 
growing, and the structure is an invitation to support the growth and 
development. The structure itself is not the flow. The structure can enable 
flow and healthy growth.

    I think there are several structural factors that can increase joy, ease 
and creativity to emerge.  I'll name those that come to mind - inspired by the 
'Deep Essence Tool' of the Genuine Contact program. Let me list those factors 
as questions that help me when I design meeting structures/ processes I 
facilitate:

    - is the purpose of the meeting/process clear?
    - what are our values? Is the design of the meeting aligned with these 
values?
    - what assumptions do I and my clients have? (Watch out - assumptions have 
a uber impact on the structure) I, you, a group, a leader have to be super 
clear and honest about our assumptions - huge shadow trap - not being clear 
honest about our assumptions when we create structure.
    Now let's find and create a structure for our meeting, for our 
organization, our movement...
    The more purpose, values, assumptions and structures are aligned, in order 
to create a life nurturing environment, the more the people have the 
opportunity to take leadership for inspired action.
    Step by step a story unfolds that is characterized by people experimenting, 
sharing, trying, daring, learning ... Taking responsibility and leadership.

    Depending on my abilities, resources and assumptions, and 
consciousness/awareness I create structures as a facilitator. My wish is to 
design and facilitate meetings where people connect with their passion and take 
leadership. My aim is to be very clear why I create which structures and I do 
my best to stay open to learn from the group and adopt the structure  to their 
needs if needed.

    I believe the purpose of the structure is to serve people, life and flow. 
Structure shall never be created in order to be obeyed by the people. But it 
may enable and empower people to step into their full potential and life force.

    We as OST community create a structure that continues to allow flow, 
learning, sharing, seeping our understanding: an international email list, 
language specific lists, wosonos, Stammtisch, Facebook group, online calls...

    I am grateful that this structure exists otherwise I could not learn from 
all your perspectives, insights, questions and sharing.

    much Love
    Anna Caroline



    On 03 Oct 2015, at 20:40, Harrison Owen via OSList 
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<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
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    And just to churn the pot a bit.... open some space??? An off thought which has pestered me 
recently. Goes like this. "Structure is only a figment of our imagination. It is our 
"take" of reality, a flash frame of the passing scene. In our minds it looks solid, even 
unchanging. But actually it is just a momentary view of the ongoing flow." Or something.

    Harrison

    From: OSList [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
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    Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:26 AM
    To:[email protected]
    
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    Subject: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

    THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
    by Jo Freeman aka Joreen

    I find this essay extremely interesting. I hope you do, too.



    Here is a pertinent quote, from the essay:
    "...the idea of "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal 
structures, only formal ones."


    Circa 1970. Context: the women's movement. Quick summary of the main 
points: from the essay...

       *   During the years in which the women's liberation movement has been 
taking shape, a great emphasis has been placed on what are called leaderless, 
structureless groups as the main -- if not sole -- organizational form of the 
movement.

       *   The idea of "structurelessness," however, has moved from a healthy 
counter to those tendencies, to becoming a goddess in its own right.

       *   Contrary to what we would like to believe, there is no such thing as 
a structureless group.

       *   This means that to strive for a structureless group is as useful, and as deceptive, as to aim at an 
"objective" news story, "value-free" social science, or a "free" economy. A "laissez 
faire" group is about as realistic as a "laissez faire" society; the idea becomes a smokescreen for the strong or 
the lucky to establish unquestioned hegemony over others.

       *   This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea of 
"structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of informal structures, only 
formal ones.

       *   For everyone to have the opportunity to be involved in a given group 
and to participate in its activities, the structure must be explicit, not 
implicit.

       *   It is this informal structure, particularly in Unstructured groups, 
which forms the basis for elites.


    Just in case you have not yet encountered the full text of this essay, here 
it is:

    THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
    by Jo Freeman aka Joreen
    http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm



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    Daniel
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