Hello Joe:

Sorry for taking so long to write back!

I   don't  feel  that  a  therapist  can  use  both  a  mechanistic  and
occupational  (i.e.  holistic)  approach.  The  two  approaches  are  at
opposite  ends  of the spectrum. Neither do I think that a therapist can
selectively  or randomly shift back in forth between the two approaches.
I  believe  that  a  person  must  preselect  how  they  view people and
pathology.

Another difference that I feel is in your statement is your comment that
"PTs ... address occupation issues as much as us." I firmly believe that
occupation  is  our unique domain. When I say unique, I mean unique. OT's
that  are  trained  in  occupation have a tremendous asset to offer their
clients  and  an  asset  that  no  other  discipline  can  even begin to
understand nor practice.

Also,  while  I know of several OT's that exclude physical function from
their  treatment,  I  am  not  such  a therapist, nor do I advocate such
exclusion.  Physical  function is a contributor to successful occupation
just  as much as any other entity and if it is limiting occupation, then
it  should be addressed. However, I think that physical function is only
ONE  of  many factors that affect occupation. Unfortunately, I feel that
some  OT's  are  too  focused on the physical function at the expense of
occupational function.

To  focus  on physical function is PT (hence the name Physical therapy).
To  focus  on  occupational  function is OT (hence the name Occupational
therapy).  Bear  in  mind  that  by  definition,  occupational  function
includes  physical  function  but  physical  function  does  not include
occupational  function.  Also  Joe, physical function is not a necessary
element  for  some  types of occupation.

There  are  many  occupations  that  involve mental rather than physical
function.  If  this  were  not  true,  then  our clients with high-level
quadriplegia  would  not  have  any occupations. And I am confident that
Christopher  Reeve's  life  is  full  of  occupation, even though he has
almost no physical function.

Joe,  you  make  a statement about the power of the occupation. From you
perspective, what is that power?

Thanks for the dialogue, I truly find it educational and inspiring!

Ron




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On 8/31/2003,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

JW> I agree Ron and I agree. That is why, I believe that as OTs we look and go
JW> beyond the realms of physical dysfn., that's why I say we take the holistic
JW> view. My only point is that we do look at the 'mechanistic' issue, too, and
JW> often the underlying pathology creates the other issues such as the
JW> associated mental/ emotional, resulting environmental barriers, etc., which
JW> would have otherwise been an non-issue. Sometimes, taking care of those
JW> 'mechanistic' issues helps to eliminate or mitigate the rest, and sometimes
JW> they don't. My thoughts are when PTs use the powers of their practice acts,
JW> take care of those physical issues, use 'seemingly' OT approaches, they too
JW> address occupational issues as much as us......I do not agree, what I feel
JW> some OTs are confusing with, that OT does not include or should not include
JW> addressing the physical issues.

JW> My own thoughts are that most OTs  I have come across, do practice OT with
JW> all the tools available to them- true occupations, activities, exercises,
JW> PAMs, splints, AEs, etc. etc.. I have met very-very few OTs that are not
JW> addressing the occupational needs (barring the quality of how a few document
JW> such issues). To me, occupational performance sprites from activity
JW> analysis, physical functioning being a part of it- usually the most visible
JW> and objective part. Since, in the world arena, OTs are mainly involved in
JW> the medical model/ with physical dysfunction issues, OTs should be in tune
JW> to be a holistic practitioner in this arena versus taking a reductionistic
JW> approach. I do not see the reason why a OT should wait for the UE strength/
JW> ROM to be increased by a PT before beginning dressing training or, why have
JW> two disciplines working together in order to achieve the same 'occupational'
JW> outcomes for OTs, and 'physical functioning' outcome for PT- the ability to
JW> physically dress.The difference again is in semantics, theorized approach
JW> and, underlying principle.  I believe with no other complicating factors
JW> viz. mental issues, emotional issues, etc., PTs and OTs are equally
JW> qualified to address this issue, and both disciplines are not needed
JW> simultaneously.

JW> To me the issue is not that OTs are trying to be PTs,  but that we do not
JW> understand the power in the word 'occupation' that entails everything a
JW> person should or wishes to do per societal or developmentally accepted
JW> norms.

JW> I believe OTs should not be further confused in the futile issue of what
JW> modalities is whose, rather understand the underlying occupational needs
JW> that need to taken care of by taking care of the pathology (impairment) if
JW> it can be corrected, disability if that can be changed with 'different'
JW> ability, and the accomodations required for the handicap.....

JW> Ron, it seems you and I agree for the most part. My major contention is that
JW> physical functioning is a very true and major part of occupational
JW> functioning and, sometimes in cases of  physical dysfunctions with no other
JW> overtly mental/ emotional/ social dysfunction, may even become inseperable.
JW> In such cases too, while OTs are addressing the physical functioning issues
JW> directly, they are certainly addressing the occupational  goals of their
JW> clients (or should be), helping them to 'occupy' their lives in meaningful
JW> activities in a pain free, effective, time-sensitive, aesthetic-deligent
JW> world.

JW> Sorry, just couldn't keep it short.
JW> Joe


JW> ----- Original Message -----
JW> From: "Ron Carson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
JW> To: "Joe Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
JW> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 2:20 AM
JW> Subject: Re[6]: [OTlist] PT does it all!!


>> Hey Joe:
>>
>> For brevity, I've snipped your message.
>>
>> The  below  paragraph is sort of a mechanistic approach to therapy. This
>> type  of  approach  assumes that by fixing the person's "broken" pieces,
>> the  whole  person  will  be restored. For example, if someone loses the
>> ability  to drive secondary to decreased balance, a mechanistic approach
>> assumes  that  by  resorting  their balance, their ability to drive will
>> also  be  restored. While for some cases, this approach may be true, for
>> others it is just as likely to be false.
>>
>> Driving,  like  ALL  occupations,  is a complex phenomenon that includes
>> physical,   social,   emotional,   environmental   and  mental  factors.
>> Successful  engagement  in occupation is not dependent on any one factor
>> but  on  the  culmination of ALL the factors. A therapist that assumes a
>> mechanistic  approach  may focus on only the most apparent factors, such
>> as  physical  impairment,  and  thus  may  miss  other  factors that are
>> preventing successful engagement in occupation.
>>
>> It  is important to assess occupational dysfunction and then to directly
>> document  the  dysfunction.  If  occupation  is  made the goal, then the
>> therapist  is  much more likely to see the whole picture of occupational
>> performance rather than seeing only the pieces that make up occupation.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
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>>
>> On 8/30/2003,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>
>> JW> Obviously,  you realize on further interrogation one may ask- what's
>> JW> the  end  result  (goal) for increased tolerance, increased balance,
>> JW> decreased  pain,  decreased  stiffness-  all  would lead to the same
>> JW> goal-  increased  occupational  independence, whether or not that is
>> JW> addressed directly on paper.
>>
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