The way the Web won.

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Greg Low (GregLow.com) <[email protected]>wrote:

> I think they are responding to the BYOD movement as well. The days of IT
> staff defining an SOE and forcing everyone to use it are gone, or at least
> disappearing fast. It’s really common to have top-down decisions on this
> stuff now ie: CEOs coming in with their tablets and saying “make it work
> here”.****
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> I’ve just spent quite a bit of time moving around dozens of software
> houses, and I can tell you that almost everyone has an HTML5/CSS3/JS story.
> They see it as a design choice that isn’t going to disappear again
> tomorrow, even though building apps there is still so much harder than what
> it should be. It’s seen as a hard but safe bet. Most are using additional
> frameworks like KendoUI.****
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> This sort of change isn’t new though. What does concern me is the loss of
> productivity we’ve had over the years. ****
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> We didn’t move to web apps in the first place because users were screaming
> out for slow delivery times, a lousy user interface and session state
> that’s likely to throw away their work without warning. As an example, OWA
> is a pretty good web app but it’s not a patch on Outlook. The initial move
> to web apps was all about IT departments not wanting to deal with
> deployment issues, because they were just too hard sometimes.****
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> I see this as just the next part of this trend. I look at productivity
> though and it could make you cry. I’ve just spent a couple of weeks coding
> in an MVC4 project, and while I like it and can see the appeal of it, I
> can’t help but thinking I could have created the same business
> functionality in a winforms app in less than a day. At least it runs all
> over the place (sort of).****
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> Regards,****
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> Greg****
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> Dr Greg Low****
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Corneliu I. Tusnea
> *Sent:* Friday, 12 April 2013 3:04 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?****
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> Yes, but by the time .Net developers started to use WebServices everyone
> else moved on to REST as they figured out WS were bloody hard to use,
> incompatible between platforms, heavyweight, hard to upgrade and generally
> a pain in the *** to develop against :)****
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> Now everyone is talking lightweight REST + JSON and we just managed
> finally to get that in the WebApi ...****
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> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Tom Rutter <[email protected]> wrote:**
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> Wasn't the original intent for .net to be for creating web services?****
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> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:47 AM, Katherine Moss <[email protected]>
> wrote:****
>
> Then why are the  majority rather than the  minority of windows 8 modern
> apps (I hate that term when talking about computers and servers, belongs on
> a mobile phone), nearly all written in pure HTML5 and JS?  Where’s the C#
> or VB in them?  And touting HTML5 and JS more than the .net framework
> sounds more like a kill-off rather than an enhancement.  ****
>
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Arjang Assadi
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:12 AM****
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?****
>
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> Not taken over but augmented with, .net still reigns supreme, js and html
> allow one to rich the poorest of places in terms of OS and framework.
> Knowing knockout, backbone etc. is a must for any .net programmer.****
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> On 10 April 2013 19:15, Bec Carter <[email protected]> wrote:****
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> .net taken over by html and js? Haha looks like the pendulum is swinging
> back again....****
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> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Katherine Moss <[email protected]>
> wrote:****
>
> I disagree, still.  WPF was expanded for instance, from versions 4.0 to
> 4.5 of the .net framework significantly from what I can tell from MSDN.
> And besides, since Windows 8 modern apps are so limited in their feature
> set compared to what we know currently today, I sort of consider Microsoft
> a little crazy for thinking that everyone’s going to accept less than what
> they have now.  And that’s what scares me about the “Gemini” update for
> Office coming in the future since in order to metro-ize Office completely,
> according to sources of Mary Joe Fowley on All About Microsoft over at
> ZDNet, she says that what people are telling her is that the update will be
> a subset of the current feature set.  And that’s what gets me; what about
> enthusiasts who need more than just a Fisher Price version?  What if we
> want all of the cool features?  What is Microsoft telling us to do, never
> move on because they are interested in depleting stuff?  ****
>
> And then in terms of .net being taken over by HTML and JavaScript?  How
> much more 1990’s can you get?  Come on, jees.  I’ll never accept a version
> of Windows or it’s successors without .net installed and living in some
> form.  ****
>
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>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 11:27 PM****
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?****
>
>  ****
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> Its legacy simply because no investment will be put into it. Windows XP is
> legacy even though I still see people inside a Fortune 500 company right
> now using at as a desktop OS. ****
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> Silverlight/WPF concepts and IP were consolidated and rehydrated into the
> Windows 8 XAML "runtime" so in a way Legacy would also imply that the vNext
> is the "new" and the older version are the old (just like Silverlight 2 is
> legacy vs Silverlight 4). The problem is Microsoft didn't understand what
> the notion of a "messaging framework" is in terms of Marketing and so they
> left that part out creating this whole conversation right now around Legacy
> true/false.
>
> Its also legacy because of the uncertainty in a lot of
> enterprise/companies around the "AS-IS" futures they've in turn suspended
> investment or looking to shift to a HTML5 deployment model or are open to
> new ideas around next bets. That's not to say a new project isnt created
> every 5secs in WPF/SL today... it's just not advertised and creates this
> whole "is it alive or isnt it" question.****
>
>
> ****
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com****
>
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> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Katherine Moss <[email protected]>
> wrote:****
>
> I don’t know why people keep calling stuff like WPF and Win32/64
> applications “old and legacy”.  I still see people using WPF all the time,
> so obviously it’s still got some spirit in it.  ****
>
>  ****
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Arjang Assadi
> *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 2:14 AM****
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Surface RT or Surface Pro?****
>
>  ****
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> RT totally rocks, since I got it haven't put it down, it is just pure
> awesome.****
>
> It is light, app switching and screen splitting are so easy.****
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> Since I got one I cant remember a day I didn't have it in my hand, most of
> times without the cover.****
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> I would like a Pro for alternative set of reasons, but RT will still be
> lighter.****
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> Regards****
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> Arjang****
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> On 2 April 2013 10:49, James Chapman-Smith <[email protected]>
> wrote:****
>
> Hi Folks,****
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> I'm thinking about getting myself either a Surface RT or a Surface Pro (or
> maybe some other alternative). Every time I think about it I convince
> myself that one is better than the other but then the next time I flip.***
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> What are everyone's thoughts?****
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> Should I get a Surface RT or a Surface Pro? Should I get a surface at all?
> How much memory should I get?****
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> I thank you for your well thought out ideas in advance.****
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> Cheers.****
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> James.****
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