Dont know what you're talk about with this. 'Apart from some bright spots, devdiv have jumped the shark.'
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Joseph Cooney <joseph.coo...@gmail.com>wrote: > The mono project and xamarin seem to be doing great things with and for > .net. Apart from some bright spots, devdiv have jumped the shark. > On 22 Aug 2013 15:16, "Greg Harris" <harris.gre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I was told at Uni (1980) that COBOL was going to die real soon... Since >> then COBOL paid off all of my first mortgage. >> It was not until about 1994 that COBOL stopped earning for me and I am >> sure that there are a lot of people out there still paying their way with >> it. >> .NET may be on the start of a down turn, but if it is, it has a long way >> to go, for now I am happy to stay with .NET, but Microsoft scare me, they >> have to look out for what they think is best for Microsoft and we could get >> swept up with the good or the bad of that, we have to accept that we have >> little control of the ride we are on! Would other options be better, I >> doubt it, just different. >> >> Interesting to look at the job trends, look at: >> http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobtrends/trend/q-asp.net+programmer%2Cruby+programmer%2Clamp+programmer >> >> [image: Asp.net Programmer, Ruby Programmer, Lamp Programmer trends graph] >> >> There is a down trend which is not good, I don't know why the data stops >> a year ago???? >> It may have all changed in the last year? >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Scott Barnes <scott.bar...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> In 2008 there was a tipping point in the .NET scene overall and the >>> timing was likely due to the post .NET adoption peak or high as to grow >>> further meant you had to go to outlying areas of the market. It also had to >>> do with the amount of investment and evangelism that went on in Academic >>> institutions also dropped significantly (due to scenarios where teachers >>> didn't like ASP.NET or WinForms due to their blurring of basic OOP >>> principles mixed with costs associated - compared to python, java, php, etc) >>> >>> Microsoft decided to react and it's really been a 3-5 year campaign on >>> driving adoption in the outlying areas - specifically going after pretty >>> much the entire landscape(s) of competitors at once ... i mean if they >>> aren't fighting and campaigning to convince you all that Google is the >>> enemy then its Apple and when not Apple it's back to the LAMP is evil etc. >>> >>> The problem is they've lost perspective by shifting everyone from >>> strategies that start and finish on the fiscal year time lines they in turn >>> have created this area of uncertainty where you have a lot of .NET coders >>> out there writing WinForms, WebForms, Asp MVC, WPF, Silverlight etc all >>> being told they really need to stop doing this and go with HTML5/JS for >>> Windows8/Wp8 or C++ for more intensive scenarios. If you then still reject >>> they then concede XAML/C# is fine but you still need to write code >>> differently because even the name spaces are different (yet you can't >>> figure out why given well..they behave and act the same as their >>> counterparts...) which you then realise that was a forcing function on >>> adopting new over old. >>> >>> By not giving a transition period between 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 to >>> now.. they've basically pushed the crowd of .NET further away from a >>> sustaining model of adoption. It then asks everyone who are loyal to the >>> brands and technology that comes out from Microsoft to consider two things >>> - "Can you trust us to stick this strategy out given our past" and "Have >>> you really considered us against the alternative?" >>> >>> If this were a political party soliciting you for your vote its as if >>> they've told you "vote for us and will probably tax you more can't say for >>> sure" :) >>> >>> So yeah, adoption cycles are going to fluctuate around what happens post >>> Winforms/Wpf of past... I'd wager that gaming industry will influence the >>> outcome given they have a lot more to win/loose around this entire >>> uncertainty (given device/desktop/console buying power is massive). >>> >>> That's where a lot of start-ups occupy today - gaming/kickstarter style >>> space. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Regards, >>> Scott Barnes >>> http://www.riagenic.com >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Andrew McGrath < >>> andrew.mcgr...@workslink.com.au> wrote: >>> >>>> .NET 2.0 coding still has some uses.... >>>> >>>> Had to stick to it to create a .NET IDE for the web....using Visual Web >>>> GUI (essentially .NET WinForms that runs via your browser) and Xamarin. >>>> >>>> Can now write .NET code once and run it on web, natively on Android, >>>> iOS, Mac and PC....useful in some scenarios. >>>> >>>> AFAIK, still need native on mobile devices to be able to interact with >>>> SQLite as I don't think Javascript + PhoneGap gives you that. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From*: "Nathan Schultz" <milish...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent*: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:17 PM >>>> *To*: "ozDotNet" <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >>>> *Subject*: Re: Future of .NET >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't think Microsoft was ever popular with the Startup community. >>>> The last time I did anything in that area LAMP was all the rage. >>>> I have one mate in the Start-Up community who has used ASP.NET MVC on >>>> a project, and said it stacks up okay against Rails. But he hated Entity >>>> Framework (he said he wasted days trying to get it working properly). He's >>>> since moved on to using Google's Go progamming language. >>>> >>>> Certainly I like the direction Microsoft is going by cherry picking the >>>> best out of other technologies (e.g. lamda expressions, dynamic language >>>> run-time, and MVC). Compiler as a Service also seems to have interesting >>>> possibilities. It's certainly not growing stale like COBOL. It's when I >>>> have to help out with Java projects (despite some good libraries), it feels >>>> like a time-warp back to .Net 2.0 days. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 August 2013 09:47, Greg Harris <harris.gre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Microsoft are trying to fix the startup thing with Biz Spark ( >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/) >>>>> But when they make super stuff ups like the non support of Silverlight >>>>> you do have ask what the @#$%^&* they are doing !!!!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk < >>>>> crai...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't think this will necessarily filter into the enterprise in a >>>>>> big. .NET and Java are both really strong in enterprise, as are Oracle >>>>>> and >>>>>> SQL Server but not that strong in startups. Enterprise and startups have >>>>>> different requirements. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Michael Ridland >>>>>> <rid...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does this eventually filter into enterprise and if so what does that >>>>>>> mean for .NET? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Michael Ridland >>>>>>> <rid...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Python / Django / Rails. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think you would be hard press for find a .NET job on AngelList. >>>>>>>> Well actually I can see 53 companies out of 3916 that use asp.net. >>>>>>>> https://angel.co/ifttt/jobs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not bashing just noting my observations and wanted opinions? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Rob Andrew < >>>>>>>> rand...@voyageconnect.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michael, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is the development platform of choice for the cool kids you >>>>>>>>> are seeing? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just wondering. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *----- Original Message -----* >>>>>>>>> *From:* Michael Ridland [mailto:rid...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>> *To:* ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thu, 22 Aug 2013 10:38:49 +1000 >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Future of .NET >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's clear that in the Start-up and Web communities the choice for >>>>>>>>> development platforms is not .NET. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does this mean eventually this will filter up? I'm wondering what >>>>>>>>> this means for the future of .NET? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I once had a developer say .NET is the new COBOL. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>
