"The price in other countries seems irrelevant. Those conditions don't exist here, otherwise the service would exist already, and we wouldn't be having this conversation."
Really? Are you saying that a global economy no longer matters? Wow, astounding. Maybe they should build a fence around Australia to keep the rest of the world out - they are a bit of a pain, after all. To answer your question in an appropriate way given the ongoing political response to this deceptive line is that the cost for a deceptive Liberal Party suggested single CVC that nobody would ever want, including most businesses is $20,000 (maybe - I haven't actually seen this figure anywhere other than Malcolm's comment). He's absolutely right in that no individual home would want one because it is a ridiculous political assertion. (Mind you, this is what is supposed to be in the NBN plan - The NBNCo Corporate Plan contains these examples on page 67: * The 1Gbps AVC price will fall from $150 to $90 (40% decrease) while the average speed increases from 30Mbps to 230Mbps (760% increase) * CVC pricing starts at $20Mbps/month when average data usage is 30GB/month and falls to $8/Mbps/month when average data usage is 540GB/month. Price falls by 2.5 times, while the average data usage grows by 18 times, which means 720% growth in revenue from CVC when accounting for price falls. ) Or I believe I read in the draft NBN document that they were intending the wholesale price to be $150 per month for a 1Gbps FTTH connection in Australia. So the least deceptive answer is that you could have a 1Gbps connection for $150 per month plus the cost of the ISP service. They didn't broadcast the fact because they assumed that everyone would expect the same behaviour that they are getting from just about every single internet connection in the country at the moment, and that is, you are likely to get speeds of 1Gbps from your ISP and then you'll share a pipe to the rest of the net with the other customers of the ISP. Given that FTTN is going to suffer the exact same issue, do you think Malcolm Turnbull is going to stand on a podium and declare that there is also going to be capping or shaping within the new FTTN network? Oh, right, I forgot, they're untouchable. Here is Simon Hackett's preference, by the way. I believe it's pro fibre: http://simonhackett.com/2013/07/17/nbn-fibre-on-a-copper-budget/ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2013 6:26 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: NBN Petition The price in other countries seems irrelevant. Those conditions don't exist here, otherwise the service would exist already, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. So, given the distinction you've created between 'dedicated' and 'continuous' what would the prices be for those two different types of services under the NBN? On Nov 12, 2013 5:18 PM, "Tony Wright" <tonyw...@gmail.com <mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com> > wrote: Not $20,000. There is a difference between "dedicated" and "a continuous 1Gbps stream of data" A number of CVC lines are purchased. Data transmission is spread over the entire lot. If you look at international prices, 1Gbps costs around $105 per month. In Japan, it is possible to get a 2Gbps connection for $20 per month. So why would Australia cost $20,000 per month? Ridiculous. No one would purchase it. So they would be forced to lower prices to a point where they'd get people to open their wallets. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2013 6:14 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: NBN Petition I'm confused. What WOULD a dedicated gigabit connection cost under the NBN? On Nov 12, 2013 5:10 PM, "Tony Wright" <tonyw...@gmail.com <mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com> > wrote: It was deceptive rubbish. He implied that it would cost $20,000 for every household. It's a blatant lie. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2013 5:58 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: NBN Petition On 12 November 2013 15:51, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com <mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com> > wrote: [ ... ] That is a typically deceptive political response and is a load of complete Liberal Party BS and Malcolm Turnbull lost any credibility he had with me when he said it. It won't cost $20,000 a month for ANY household. A single household never needs a continuous stream of data getting a maximum of 1Gbps at all times, so it is shared among a whole bunch a households. So a single CVC line might be split between 10 to 20 houses. There is nothing incorrect in what he said, 1gbps flat chat is $20K a month wholesale. End of story. More over, that's significantly more expensive than what you can buy today. If Joe Punter uses less, great for him, but a school or a SME might want to use more. It begs the question, what is the average the NBN is designed for? Any sort of application that involves bulk data transfers is out of bounds cost wise - which is somewhat ironic. On top of this, CVC charges will have to come down over time due to economy of scale. See: <http://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-P rojected.php> http://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Pr ojected.php Historically, transit pricing has dropped by around 1/3rd every year since 1998. CVC and IP Transit are completely different things. NBN Co doesn't even sell IP Transit. You need to pay for both. And you pay CVC even if the data is 'on net' and never leaves your RSP (i.e. watching the TV or downloading freezone). CVC isn't going to go down ever because there is no incentive for it to as competitive technologies are outlawed (except for LTE, etc) David.
