http://issurvivor.com/2017/11/20/opinionization-in-the-cloud/
On 21 Nov. 2017 22:15, "mike smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > Browsers as virtual OSes, or VMs themselves as virtual environments to > separate the applications or services? > > I was reading an article suggesting that fortune 500 companies that bought > Amazon, MS style cloud services were being lazy, and should be building > their own. > > I'll look up the link > > On 21 Nov. 2017 19:11, "Ken Schaefer" <[email protected]> wrote: > > We used to have everything as thick-client apps. And then every time we > had to upgrade an OS, we have to regression test, and sociability test > 1000+ apps. That’s a huge waste of time. > > Then there’s the deployment issues of pushing thousands of apps out to > thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of endpoints. > > > > When you talk about building a LoB app – well, that works when you have 1, > or 2 apps. It doesn’t scale. > > > > Instead, we’re now using a browser as a virtual OS (with hardware, > networking etc. abstracted away to the real OS), with an application UI and > some logic delivered as text at run-time, and the non-GUI parts centralised. > > > > And when we look at all the possible ways of building apps, and the > choices being made by both developers of apps, and buyers of apps, it seems > the market’s been pretty unequivocal about the preferred method. > > > > Why it’s not much better/faster than before, is probably down to > immaturity. If you want an app that does something that we were able to do > 20 years ago, then that’s trivial to implement. But what the market wants > is apps to do things that haven’t been done before. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@ozdot > net.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Low > *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 November 2017 5:51 PM > *To:* ozDotNet <[email protected]> > *Subject:* RE: Creating a browser-based product > > > > But when a business just wants a line of business app, are these good > answers now? Do they care if it could be used by billions of people? The > odd one might care. Most won’t. > > > > Won’t they be more concerned with taking 6 or 8 times longer, and costing > proportionately more? > > > > Not every app is at the high-end. Most aren’t. > > > > And now I watch daily nightmares around deploying web apps too. > > > > What exactly have we done to ourselves? > > > > Regards, > > > > Greg > > > > Dr Greg Low > > > > 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 <1300%20775%20775>) office | +61 419201410 > <0419%20201%20410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <(03)%208676%204913> fax > > SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com |http://greglow.me > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@ozdot > net.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk > *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 November 2017 4:46 PM > *To:* ozDotNet <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: Creating a browser-based product > > > > I'm not sure this is much more of an issue now than it was. Back in the > day we had to decide between Delphi, VB, Powerbuilder, C++ among others > when building a Windows app. And once we decided that we had to work out > which third party libraries we wanted to use with them. > > > > If I take an old 15 year old Delphi app I have it would take me the best > part of a week to get it compiling again now if I had to build the dev > machine from scratch. > > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Greg Low <[email protected]> wrote: > > So then we’re back to why business apps take so very long to build > nowadays, and why no-one can seem to decide which tools to use. Either way, > as an industry, our productivity when building apps is poor. > > > > > > >
