So are you AT these births? I've heard that most women come out of the 'hypno' once they hit transition. How do they cope with that?
Jayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Jockel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water I have to cry... when I get replies that state. " Giving birth is hard labour and hard labour in any way is not without pain. Indeed pain tells you something and the woman has to be able to listen to those signals without someone telling her what to do." It just makes me weep....such closed mindedness.. BIRTH AND BIRTHING DO NOT HAVE TO HURT ! And for the record I acknowledge that water births feel good and help the mum to feel better, adjust her position etc.. every one to their own. The mums I work with, don't feel pain, physically or emotionally, don't stress and have joyous relaxed and easy births.. the way it should be. No intervention from medical staff, bright alert happy babies and once again NO PAIN. It's a pity the majority of women have think of strategies to deal with pain and discomfort when there doesn't have to be any at all. And as a final note...whatever the mum wants do do is fine...it's her birthing experience, not mine. Cheers Frank -------Original Message------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:52:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water Oh, Lieve, that's wonderful! Groetjes, Aviva ----- Original Message ----- From: Lieve Huybrechts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birthing in dam water Hello Frank, You have an interesting approach, but I think the clou of your story is to think that pain is equivalent to hurt. Giving a mother an epidural can hurt her more than help her cope with pain of normal labour Pain in labour is fysiological and when a women can cope with the pain, it will not hurt her. The pain helps her to know her time is there to make a nest and to call the people around her that will support her. Then the way she copes with the labourpain tells her in what stage she is and also wich movements she has to make to help the baby out. Giving birth is hard labour and hard labour in any way is not without pain. Indeed pain tells you something and the woman has to be able to listen to those signals without someone telling her what to do. Believe me, women know how to give birth and fysiological pain doesn't hurt, but I can't deny that you feel it :-))) Lieve --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 2/12/02 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
