thx pinky for reply
'tis late and tomorow am preparing and packing to go to melbourne for bizo
and parent and child show
but as best i can wil answer in caps below
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] safetsleep
Hi Miriam,
I have done the tiki tour - impressed and would definitely like to mention
safetsleep as an option in my book. I do appreciate all the work you are
doing and can see some great uses for safetsleep but also have some
questions:
1) I would be really concerned that some parents would use Safetsleep as a
'restraint'. But I guess if that were the case, the same thinking would
mean that they would not have grasped whatever gentle/ respectful info I
had written in the first place so were still coming from a 'convenient
baby' / baby as object to be trained mentality. ie -I personally would
hate to see such a product used to prevent a toddler from getting of of
bed- I have read in at least one book and heard from a MB unit where the
treatment for toddlers who dont stay in bed is to remove the lightbulb and
lock the door - although I highly doubt you would approve of this either.
DITO RE CONCERNS WHICH IS WHY THE NURTURING, POSITIVE-PARENTING MESSAGE
IS SO IMPORTANT.AS YOU HAVE SEEN I HV WORKED HARD TO ENSURE THIS
PHILOSOPHY GOES HAND IN HAND AND HAVE INVITED AND ENJOYED THE SUPPORT OF
MANY HIGH QUALITY, WELL KNOWN PARENTING ROLE MODELS, PARENTS,CELEBES AND
MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ....MOST PEOPLE IN MY EXPERIENCE DO WANT WHAT IS
BEST AND LOVING FOR THEIR CHILDREN ...EVERYTHING AT THE END OF THE DAY IS
OPEN TO ABUSE EG AS YOU WLD KNOW SOME BABIES/CHILDREN ARE LEFT SITTING FAR
TOO LONG IN CAR SEATS, PUSHCHAIRS, HIGHCHAIRS ETC FOR CONVENIENCE BOTH AT
HOME AND SOME DAYCARE CENTRES ........MY CHILDREN LITERALY LOVED THE
SLEEPWRAP AND YOU COULD 'SEE' THAT THEY RELAXED AND SLEPT MORE RESTFULLY
..... THE BOYS WERE AROUND 2 YRS BEFORE THEY HAD ENOUGH AND DIDNT NEED IT
ANYMORE AND MY DAUGHTER AT 3 STILLLOVED IT SO MUCH SHE USED TO PUT IT ON
HERSELF...MUST ADMIT FOR A FEW SECONDS I THOUGHT SHE MIGHT STILL WANT IT
AT 21 SO I JUST PRETENDED IT WAS IN THE WASH FOR 3 WEEKS AND WHEN SHE
ASKED FOR IT TOLD HER IT WAS STILL WET ....I REMEMBER HER TELLING ME TO
PUT IT IN THE SUN MUMMY! ....SHE SOON FORGOT ABOUT IT....BUT I NEEDN'T
HAVE WORRIED AS SUBSEQUENTLY LEARNT THAT MOST BOATIES , INCLUDING THE
AMERCAS CUP LOT USE THEM FOR BABIES-CHILDREN UP TO 6YRS OLD ON A
BOAT.....APPARENTLY MUCH BETTER THAN A LEECLOTH
2) I am pleased to see that the babies in the letters on your site who had
plagiocephaly also received physio -I have concerns that things like
helmets on bubs only 'cosmetically' correct the symtoms (ie flat head) not
the causes ie the underlying reasons for torticolus/ positional turns (
retained reflexes ? neurology ? tight muscles). I know of several
parents here who have had feeding difficulties with such bubs ( ie
uncomfortable feeding from one side/ refusal on one side) who have been
treated either by a cranial osteopath or a paediatric chiro and when this
has been corrected, then these bubs are content to change sides etc (ie
the "problem" is fixed not just the symptom - ie flat head).
I HAVE RECENTLY INTERVIEWED A CRANIO-FACIAL PLASTIC SURGEON AND A MIDWIFE OF
17 YRS EXPERIENCE AND HV THIS AVAILABLE ON VHS AND DVD....LET ME KNOW IF YOU
WOULD LIKE A COPY AND WILL SEND TO YOU....I WLD BE KEEN TO HV YR COMMENTS
My own youngest child is regularly treated by a chiro ( initially because
of dyslexia which improved remarkably). At the first visit it was found
that he still had some early reflexes present and the chiro commented -
"he would have had difficulty breastfeeding?" My response was that as he
was my 5th child he wouldnt have had any difficulties - whether this meant
holding him upside down if necessary" of course i didnt do any such thing
but certainly would have compensated for any difficulty by altering
feeding positions rather than seeking a cause because at the time i wasnt
aware that 'the cause' ie a neurological problem/ retained reflexes could
be involved.
MANY CHIROS,OSTEOS,OCCUPATIONAL THERAPISTS,PHYSIOS, NURSES, NEONATAL
NURSES, ANTE & POSTNATAL TUTORS AND OTHERS SUPPORT AND RECOMMEND THE
SLEEPWRAP TO THEIR PATIENTS/CLIENTS FOR A WIDE VARIETY OF REASONS
...INCLUDING PARENTAL PEACE OF MIND
Incidentally, he didnt/ doesn't have a flat head - he coslept so would
have been side sleeping / changing sides perfectly safely and naturally,
anyway. (perhaps reinforcing my point that while symptoms can be
corrected, this doesnt necessarily mean the child is 'fixed')YOU MAY
PROBABLY FIND MY DVD INTERESTING AND YOU MAY HV SEEN THE LINKS TO THE
VARIOS PLAGIOCEPHALY SITES ON OUR WEBSITE ....I HAVE HUGE RESOURCE DATA
AVAILABLE TO YOU AND MIDWIVES FREE OF CHARGE IF INTERESTED
However, I do have to acknowledge that this isnt every parent's choice and
also that sadly, infant sleep is fraught with fear -Im amazed by comments
to the mother in the testimonial (on your site) by her plunket nurse re
the danger of side sleeping - poor mums.
THIS IS AN AREA I WOULD DEARLY LOVE TO HAVE MORE DIALOGUE ABOUT AS THIS
WHOLE AREA IS SO FRAUGHT WITH OUR INHERITED MODEL OF THE MEDIEVAL,
ANGLO-SAXON ,HEIRARCHACAL MODEL OF 'WHO KNOWS BEST' AND JUST WHAT
INFORMATION SHALL WE 'LET' YOU HAVE THIS YEAR!....IT CONCERNS AND ANGERS ME
TO SEE THAT PARENTS AND EDUCATORS DO NOT RECEIVE THE 'FULL'
PICTURE....TRUELY THERE ARE BABIES WORLDWIDE DIEING AND INJURED EACH YEAR
FROM PREVENTABLE PHYSIOLOGICAL OCCURANCES....WLD SOOO LOVE TO TALK ABOUT
THIS SOME MORE BUT NEED TO GET SOME ZZZZ AT THE MO'
Are you in Australia or Auckland? I LIVE IN AUCKLAND WITH MY LOVELY 16 YR
OLD DAUGHTER AND THE CAT BUT OFTEN COME TO AUSTRALIA AND WLD LOVE TO MEET
FOR COFFEE ONE DAY AND SHARE SOME STORIES ,STUDIES AND WISDOM....I HV READ
AND BELIEVE WE ARE ALL BORN WITH APROX 33MM OF BRAIN TISSUE WHICH
CONTAINS GENETIC WISDOM BUT SADLY IN OUR CULTURE WE SEEM TO BE TAUGHT MORE
ON HOW TO NOT TRUST THAT WISDOM AND LISTEN TOO MUCH TOO SO-CALLED
'EXPERTS'
I will send the handouts.THANKYOU FOR THESE...WILL READ IN THE PLANE
WARM RGDS
MIRIAM
Pinky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Safetsleep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
pinky
i hv a very keen interest to meet up with you at some stage......
.from what i have heard and read about you our philosophies are very
similar. My background being mainly nursing, parenting, counselling,
community work and nearly 20 years facilitating positive parenting
workshops ,confidence building for women, trust building, sexuality /drug
and alcohol awareness and other educationaly empowering issues .....
29 yrs ago for my eldest son, and since then subsequent children, i
happen to have designed a special sleepwrap which allows all natural
movement depending on the age and stage of the baby, except those
movements which could cause harm eg creeping and postional asphyxia,
standing, climbing , falling, rolling off beds,helping to prevent and
correct positional plagiocephaly (flat/deformed heads) and seems to
provde a sence of security with minimal restriction ( far less even than
total swaddling)...mothers report babies sleeping better/longer/more
peacefullyand for them a huge feeling of peace of mind
13 years ago initial trials spanned 6 months, involved over 300 babies,
600 parents and 15 clinicians from various fields within the medical
profession (no mean feat as you will all know)
since then consistent 20-25% of all first-time babies in nz are
reached...several countries including european countries have received
the product and positive parenting philosophy that accompanies it very
well.... with the enthusiasm and skill of one of my son's the product is
just starting in the uk........
.hospital clinical trials were completed 2 yrs ago under the guidance of
a Canadian cranio-facial plastic surgeon, who was/is concerned with the
20% (!) of babies who do not respond to alternate head turning nor any of
the interventions currently advocated and who will remain with
permanently different degrees of deformed heads!....
copy of the published study on the sleepwrap is on www.safetsleep.com
under 'heading 'medical facts'
i have presented 3 medical papers at international level .....few details
on the 'About Us' page ....more info avail.,
there is also a live wee video which takes aprox 2 mins to down load
about 40% of my work over the past 13 years has really amounted to a
community service in terms of education and am exhausted but elated that
in the well over 150,000 babies who have used my sleepwrap ( auditable)
we have not had one reported 'cot death', or accident
the nzcom and individual midwives have been hugly objectively supportive
of the concept
i would love to discuss 'sleep' aspects with you sometime and sincerely
hope you can find some time to tiki-tour the website mentioned above
everything in my literature is based on national and international
stats...and published data....all evidence-based
would welcome dialogue with anyone who is interested and a educational
resource pack is avail.,
warm regards
miriam rutherford
mother/educator/designer/md
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
thanks Janet - Brenda and I have "made up" and are speaking civilly to
each other re the dilemma of confused identity and schedules versus
mother support.
I am currently writing a new book on infant sleep - all sleep stories/
memories/ anecdotes - welcome.
Better clarify - I will not be advocating parent directed feeding,
controlled crying or leaving babies to cry it out.
please email me offline if you want to share
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
Pinky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Hear hear!
: )
J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Hi,
Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky
would
ever
be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky
spends
quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems
they
have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall
and
Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such
teachings.
They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves
and
also give great practical advice when needed.
I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her
speak........she is
one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check
out
her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful.
http://www.pinky-mychild.com/
I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker
and
her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps
of
money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie
subject
it
makes me dizzie! lol!
Love Abby
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