That's right Barb...it's sometimes tempting to lock the bloody door! I too
love the old  'cut an episiotomy' order as they are standing at the end of
the bed (whilst directing the woman to push so much more effectively than
you a mere midwife could)...serious dirty look often works with this
one...or coming down with sudden onset of complete and total deafness!
And this is what I mean...terrible midwife making woman suffer when the reg
could have come in and dragged babe into the world with ventouse hours
before...disgusting
That's one good thing about nights as hopefully the said reg is somewhere
sleeping like they should be and leaving the normal to us!

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Why only hanging around the door. I have had them come in and push me out to
then tell the mother how to push and ''look I ''saved'' them! Barb

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Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 3:57 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions



In defence of Di...she obviously works in a hospital with registrar
potentially hanging around the door..Sometimes 'best practice' may need to
be modified to prevent the women from ending up with an instrumental
birth......or synto...or an epidural ..or even a CS!!!! The lesser of two
evils. The docs are not going to tolerate a 'rest & be thankful' stage going
on for hours espeically with decels in the fh!! (Yep even hospital midwives
know about rest & be thankful)So lets give her a break ...and walk in her
shoes for abit heh! Does anyone think the contrations may have dropped of
simply because she had a big baby and she was tired? Sounds like a more
likely scenario to me than theories about overloading. Lisa




Hi  Di,

Just a point on fluids in labour - if a woman is overloaded with 
fluid (via a drip) her system,  vasopressin (antidiuretic hormone) 
will kick in to stop her body being flooded with fluid.  This hormone 
is produced from the same source as oxytocin (posterior putuitary 
glad).  Perhaps this was why the contractions dropped off.

Why not let the woman herself dictate what she was drinking?  As a 
rough guide, about 1 cup of fluid  per hour is often suggested.  The 
ketones in her urine (unless they are alarmingly high) are a sign 
that her body is working well and mobilising her fat stores to give 
her energy etc for labour.

I agree that the "rest and be thankful" stage is often misunderstood 
- if a woman is lucky enough to get a break, especially in a strong 
labour, then she should not be robbed of it!  I deliberately put this 
stage on the new Birth Day panels that I developed for teaching about 
second stage, because it is often
glossed over in classes and women don't know about it.

It is fantastic that you are seeking answers to these questions - 
that's the best way to learn - from experience!

Warm regards,

Andrea


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