They is Microsoft. I don’t work for MS, so I don’t not its internals, however I’ve worked for several large corporations and I’m all too familiar with inter-department/division power struggles. This is nothing new.
Realistically I’m sure each division is given its budget, timelines and deliverables. That is decided at higher level, which each division must try to influence the decision maker to get what he/she wants. Again nothing new here. As outsiders, we can try to influence the decisions that MS takes. Priorities change in corporations all the time in response to market conditions and customer demands, again nothing new. However, I keep thinking about this quote: "If I had asked my customers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse." -Henry Ford Don’t get me wrong I love SL especially compared to Flash. However HTML does have many advantages. I’m in upper management for a web based company, with tens of millions of visitors per day. So, I have a very good idea of what is going on in the web world including mobile web and what is required to make things work at the speed of Internet. In the Intranet world, things are very different there. MS pretty much owns that, but on the Internet, far from it. IMO that distinction is often not talked about. There are many things that I would do on a company’s intranet, that should simply never be done on a public Internet (think latency and network speed you pour Aussies ;-p) While the official HTML5 spec is a long way to being ratified, it’s already here. With IE9, all major browsers will support many of the major HTML5 elements. So yes Microsoft is investing in HTML5 because it wants to be taken as a serious Internet player. From: Scott Barnes Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:05 PM To: ozSilverlight Cc: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic Whe u say "they" who are u referring to? Developer division or ie / windows team? And who has right of way in terms of budgets and launch timelines? Msft has loads of money but if you have ever sat in a review of the business etc u will note that being held fiscally accountable is very important. 200+ devs are on sl today how many do u think work on IE? Or the variety of tooling and also how do u justify the double ups between sl and html5 espec when the later hasn't got an audience really defined yet? Where do u put your $100 spends etc? Who foots the bill on marketing it all? Windows? Office? Vstudio? Expression? Do u know expression teams don't report to the same org tree as silverlight teams do? It's great to say "do both" but sit down crunch the numbers and factor in divisional politics and welcome to he internal reality of Microsoft -- Sent from my mini iPad nano (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this device as small keys) On 15/09/2010, at 11:50 AM, "Perry Stathopoulos" <[email protected]> wrote: First, everyone should also read Mike Taulty’s post: http://mtaulty.com/CommunityServer/blogs/mike_taultys_blog/archive/2010/09/10/iphone-4-is-dead.aspx Another thing that I didn’t see too much in all this hoopla is talking about the obvious that Silverlight is reaching maturity (not end of life, but normal development cycles vs. double time). MS arrived late to the party in online video streaming. IE is nothing but a punching bag online, so they need to step it up if they want to be taken seriously as an online leader. They surely don’t want to be late again with HTML5. Yes it makes sense to invest heavily early in this new shiny object, lest they arrive late again. From: Jordan Knight Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:17 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic I'd also like to raise some points RE HTML5 and WPF/SL etc. Back in the 1890's the head of the US patent office declared he was going to close the office because he thought that there was nothing left to invent... rather short sighted given hindsight... My point is that HTML5 will bring to the masses through standardisation the features that consumers have come to demand thanks to agile plugins like SL and Flash. To quote the SL team blog post that flamed the debate - SL/Flash trailblaze and HTML5 will then pave the road. These features are already out there and pervasive (demanded) - so why not standardise and give them the ultimate reach they deserve! Bravo - it's a really good idea, and consumers win. The stuff that was around years ago will now be available through standards. But there is new stuff now... that stuff has been done - tech moves on. Where consumers *also* win is that SL and Flash are all about ideas and tech that doesn't/didn't exist yet + getting it to market fast. It's a playground for great ideas. 3D video. Surround sound, adaptive smooth streaming (for the SL = video zealots). Multitouch, multi screen, multi bloody everything. Rapid development (through Des/Dev workflows) + awesome tooling. Consumers like apps too remember. They would much rather read their EPG in an app than have a link to a web page on their desktop. And what about other ideas that don't really exist yet. To say that WPF is dead and/or dying - well I say to you - there is more to the world of UX and consumerism than just the browser/current thinking. I think that WPF is _still_ ahead of its time. Tech/devices are moving wayyyyy too fast for HTML5 spec to keep up with (what about this cheap new device? http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/microsoft-principal-researcher-bill-buxton-surface-will-be-in-h/)... I think the HTML5 vs the world debate is forgetting about the consumer app/hi-tech/new shiny device market - it will/(*is*) be hooooooge! And we need to keep the consumers happy (which means being nimble!). HTML5 is great, bringing what we demand to spec. Yaay for Vimeo working on my iPhone! Plugins are great bringing us the latest tech quickly. And... as new screens are added (Surface, phones etc)... then you can be sure i'll be betting the farm on ripping out apps quickly on tech like WPF... Cheap Surfaces, every shop... WPF = killer. My 2 cents :) On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Tatham Oddie <[email protected]> wrote: Even as the web standards zealot in the corner, I wouldn’t agree with many of Scott’s points. Jordan Knight and I just discussed the relationship between HTML5 and Silverlight across two episodes of Frankly Speaking: http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=256 http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=260 -- Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 280 9140, skype: tathamoddie If you’re printing this email, you’re doing it wrong. This is a computer, not a typewriter. 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