... to bump that chain of thought - plugins are easer to install / get installed than browsers. And, plugins don't wreck corporate apps built around SOE (i.e. upgrade from IE6).
I like your points John - ubiquity is the key to the reach argument. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John OBrien <[email protected]>wrote: > The sad part about HTML5 is all the awesome innovative stuff we've seen > out of MSFT powered by Silverlight will now have to been slowly ported over > HTML5 and the loser is new innovation. > Great that it will have more reach but from an innovation point of view it > sucks. Example Photosynth, sure a pure HTML5 version would be great but it > will cost all the dev resources to do it and we don't get anything new. It > is a real pity that the right decision is to spend your time on boring HTML5 > rather then doing new work that has never been done before in Silverlight. > > >From a business point of view how do you allocate your resources for a > RIA? > > 1) HTML4 / AJAX - greatest reach for some time, limited functionality > 2) HTML5 - potential for greater reach, build RIAs, limited tooling > 3) SL - suffer from the plugin install issue, richer experience, good > tools. > > My guess is conservative managers are going to choose 1+2, if not just 1 > and "wait till 90%+ of devices have HTML5 caps". > > ------------------------------ > CC: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:05:52 +1000 > To: [email protected] > > > Whe u say "they" who are u referring to? Developer division or ie / windows > team? And who has right of way in terms of budgets and launch timelines? > Msft has loads of money but if you have ever sat in a review of the business > etc u will note that being held fiscally accountable is very important. > > 200+ devs are on sl today how many do u think work on IE? Or the variety of > tooling and also how do u justify the double ups between sl and html5 espec > when the later hasn't got an audience really defined yet? Where do u put > your $100 spends etc? Who foots the bill on marketing it all? Windows? > Office? Vstudio? Expression? Do u know expression teams don't report to the > same org tree as silverlight teams do? > > It's great to say "do both" but sit down crunch the numbers and factor in > divisional politics and welcome to he internal reality of Microsoft > > -- > Sent from my mini iPad nano > (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this > device as small keys) > > On 15/09/2010, at 11:50 AM, "Perry Stathopoulos" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > First, everyone should also read Mike Taulty’s post: > > http://mtaulty.com/CommunityServer/blogs/mike_taultys_blog/archive/2010/09/10/iphone-4-is-dead.aspx > > Another thing that I didn’t see too much in all this hoopla is talking > about the obvious that Silverlight is reaching maturity (not end of life, > but normal development cycles vs. double time). MS arrived late to the party > in online video streaming. IE is nothing but a punching bag online, so they > need to step it up if they want to be taken seriously as an online leader. > They surely don’t want to be late again with HTML5. Yes it makes sense to > invest heavily early in this new shiny object, lest they arrive late again. > > > *From:* Jordan Knight <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:17 PM > *To:* ozSilverlight <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic > > I'd also like to raise some points RE HTML5 and WPF/SL etc. > > Back in the 1890's the head of the US patent office declared he was going > to close the office because he thought that there was nothing left to > invent... rather short sighted given hindsight... > > My point is that HTML5 will bring to the masses through standardisation the > features that consumers have come to demand thanks to agile plugins like SL > and Flash. To quote the SL team blog post that flamed the debate - SL/Flash > trailblaze and HTML5 will then pave the road. These features are already out > there and pervasive (demanded) - so why not standardise and give them the > ultimate reach they deserve! Bravo - it's a really good idea, and consumers > win. The stuff that was around years ago will now be available through > standards. > > But there is new stuff now... that stuff has been done - tech moves on. > > Where consumers *also* win is that SL and Flash are all about ideas and > tech that doesn't/didn't exist yet + getting it to market fast. It's a > playground for great ideas. 3D video. Surround sound, adaptive smooth > streaming (for the SL = video zealots). Multitouch, multi screen, multi > bloody everything. Rapid development (through Des/Dev workflows) + awesome > tooling. > > Consumers like apps too remember. They would much rather read their EPG in > an app than have a link to a web page on their desktop. > > And what about other ideas that don't really exist yet. To say that WPF is > dead and/or dying - well I say to you - there is more to the world of UX and > consumerism than just the browser/current thinking. I think that WPF is > _still_ ahead of its time. Tech/devices are moving wayyyyy too fast for > HTML5 spec to keep up with (what about this cheap new device? > <http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/microsoft-principal-researcher-bill-buxton-surface-will-be-in-h/> > http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/microsoft-principal-researcher-bill-buxton-surface-will-be-in-h/ > )... > > I think the HTML5 vs the world debate is forgetting about the consumer > app/hi-tech/new shiny device market - it will/(*is*) be hooooooge! And we > need to keep the consumers happy (which means being nimble!). > > HTML5 is great, bringing what we demand to spec. Yaay for Vimeo working on > my iPhone! Plugins are great bringing us the latest tech quickly. And... as > new screens are added (Surface, phones etc)... then you can be sure i'll be > betting the farm on ripping out apps quickly on tech like WPF... > > Cheap Surfaces, every shop... WPF = killer. > > My 2 cents :) > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Tatham Oddie < <[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > Even as the web standards zealot in the corner, I wouldn’t agree with > many of Scott’s points. > > > > Jordan Knight and I just discussed the relationship between HTML5 and > Silverlight across two episodes of Frankly Speaking: > > > > <http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=256> > http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=256 > > <http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=260> > http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=260 > > > > -- > > Tatham Oddie > > au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 280 9140, skype: tathamoddie > > If you’re printing this email, you’re doing it wrong. This is a computer, > not a typewriter. > > > > *From:* <[email protected]> > [email protected] > [mailto:<[email protected]> > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of > *<[email protected]> > [email protected] > *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 September 2010 6:33 PM > *To:* ozSilverlight > *Subject:* Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic > > > > Via CodeProject 'Daily News' (14/09/2010) - > <http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363>http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363 > > > > Dr. Dan Lazner, PhD | Software Architect/Engineer/Developer > > > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > <[email protected]>[email protected] > <http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight> > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > >
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