On Feb 20, 2012, at 5:53 AM, Ángel Faraldo wrote: > > On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 11:19, Ángel Faraldo wrote: >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> >>>> Date: February 18, 2012 9:02:07 PM GMT+01:00 >>>> To: Ángel Faraldo <angelfara...@gmail.com> >>>> Cc: João Pais <jmmmp...@googlemail.com>, "pd-list@iem.at List" >>>> <pd-list@iem.at> >>>> Subject: Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta! >>> >>> >>>>> also frequent and irregular audio clicks on mac OSX 10.6.8, no matter how >>>>> big the delay time is set to in the audio properties. (Tested with 'test >>>>> audio/midi patch' @ SR 44100 and 48000 Hz with built-in audio, >>>>> portaudio). >>> >>>> What kind of computer and audio interface are you using? >>> >>> macbook pro 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with OSX 10.6.8. I tested it with >>> the built-in audio and a RME Fireface 800 with similar results. >> >> >> I'm on a very similar machine', a MacBook pro 3 - 2.4ghz running >> 10.6.8. Ive never seen this before. I don't have any external >> interface, perhaps its related to the drivers from your interface? Just >> a guess. Do other audio apps work? Like Audacity? It also uses >> portaudio. > > Actually I have tried it on an older macbook without problem, but on my > computer keeps on clicking awfully if I use portaudio --I attach a mp3 file > with the output--. If I select jack there are no clicks. Besides, the audio > in Audacity works perfectly fine. > > (These tests were done with the mac built-in audio and with a RME fireface > 800 with similar results). > <pd_testAudio_44100_20msec_portaudio.mp3>
What happens if you increase the Delay (msec) in the Audio Settings to something like 50? .hc > > ángel > >> >> Please file a bug report on this one too. >> >> .hc >> >> >> >>>> >>>> Hmm yeah, [cputime] does seem broken. Could you post a bug report please? >>> >>> done >>> >>> ángel faraldo >>>> >>>> .hc >>>> >>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Ángel Faraldo wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> also frequent and irregular audio clicks on mac OSX 10.6.8, no matter how >>>>> big the delay time is set to in the audio properties. (Tested with 'test >>>>> audio/midi patch' @ SR 44100 and 48000 Hz with built-in audio, >>>>> portaudio). >>>>> >>>>> also, [cputime] appears not to work. >>>>> >>>>> (pd-0.43.1-extended-20120218-macosx105-i386) >>>>> >>>>> Ángel Faraldo >>>>> _________________ >>>>> www.angelfaraldo.info >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:41 PM, João Pais wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It sounds as if the audio isn't synced to the system card, or something. >>>>>> The sinus in the audio test patch has lots of irregular clicks, almost >>>>>> as if they would be dropouts. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you mean by noisy? Can you give more information? I really >>>>>>> don't know much about Windows, so I rely on others to tell me how >>>>>>> things there should be handled. patco and pob have been doing a lot of >>>>>>> valuable work there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .hc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:13 PM, João Pais wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Hans, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> great job. But, here in XP, I get audio problems: trying to run with >>>>>>>> asio (as I always do with 0.42), the audio is very noisy. >>>>>>>> Audio options are -asio -audioindev 2 -audiooutdev 2 -channels 2 >>>>>>>> -midiindev 1 -midioutdev 1 -audiobuf 40, and they always worked with >>>>>>>> previous versions of pd-ext. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> João >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Pd-extended 0.43 release has been brewing an extra long time, >>>>>>>>> about 18 months now, mostly because there are lots of big >>>>>>>>> improvements, and we wanted to make sure we got it right, so your >>>>>>>>> patches all work, but the improvements all shine. Its now solidly >>>>>>>>> beta, so we’re looking for testers. Download a nightly build to try >>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First off, the pd-gui side of Pd has been re-written from scratch. >>>>>>>>> When you run Pd, you are actually running two programs: pd is the >>>>>>>>> core engine and pd-gui is the GUI. Since basically all computers now >>>>>>>>> come with multiple CPU cores, this means that pd-gui will usually run >>>>>>>>> on a separate CPU core than pd, so they don’t step on each other’s >>>>>>>>> toes. pd can entirely take over its own core. If you want to make >>>>>>>>> your patch use more CPU cores, then check out the [pd~] object >>>>>>>>> introduced in the last release (0.42.5). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> pd still handles some of the GUI stuff, but we are working on >>>>>>>>> splitting that out for the 0.44 release. That is a big chunk of work >>>>>>>>> but it will also bring big gains. In particular, it means that it >>>>>>>>> will be possible for people to write their own GUIs for Pd, covering >>>>>>>>> not just the display of the patch, but also the editing, and >>>>>>>>> everything else. You like OpenFrameworks, python, iOS, JUCE, Qt, >>>>>>>>> etc.? Write your own pd-gui using the toolkit of your choice. That’s >>>>>>>>> the idea at least. That will take a solid chunk of work, so we are >>>>>>>>> looking for people to join that effort. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are so many ideas for making a better editing experience in Pd, >>>>>>>>> this release makes big strides to address the editing experience. >>>>>>>>> There are new features like Magic Glass, Autotips, Autopatch and Perf >>>>>>>>> Mode, all available on the Edit menu. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> • Magic Glass let’s you magically see the messages as they pass >>>>>>>>> through the cords. Just turn it on and hover above a cord, and you’ll >>>>>>>>> see the messages as they go by. You can even look at signal/audio >>>>>>>>> cords. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> • Autotips gives you tips about what an object does, what its inlet >>>>>>>>> expects, and what comes out of the outlets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> • Autopatch mode automatically connects objects as you create them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> • Perf Mode, is a mode for performance that makes it harder to >>>>>>>>> accidentally close windows that are part of your performance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Pd Window is also majorly overhauled. First of all, its fast. >>>>>>>>> Much much faster than the old one. You can now print thousands of >>>>>>>>> messages per second to the Pd Window and still edit your patch. No >>>>>>>>> more will an accidental dump of info cause the GUI to freeze up >>>>>>>>> (well, ok, maybe if you send 10,000 messages/second but that is a way >>>>>>>>> too many). There are also now 5 levels of printing messages to the Pd >>>>>>>>> Window: fatal, error, normal, debug, all. If you are only interested >>>>>>>>> in fatal errors, switch the Pd Window to 0 – fatal, and you’ll only >>>>>>>>> see the worst problems. You want to see every single message to >>>>>>>>> debug? Switch to 4 – all, and you’ll get the whole firehose. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is also the new log library, which lets you easily send >>>>>>>>> messages for those different levels. And all messages logged with the >>>>>>>>> objects from the log library are clickable: when you Ctrl-Click or >>>>>>>>> Cmd-click (Mac OS X) on the line in the Pd Window, it’ll pop up the >>>>>>>>> patch where the message came from, and highlight the specific object >>>>>>>>> that printed it. That even works for many messages from other objects >>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Pd Window also includes very basic level meters for monitoring >>>>>>>>> the input and output levels. And for those who want to play with the >>>>>>>>> GUI in realtime, you can type Tcl code in the Tcl entry field, and >>>>>>>>> directly modify and probe the running GUI. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One thing that you can do now is customize the GUI using GUI plugins. >>>>>>>>> You can change all sorts of colors, some fonts, and many behaviors. >>>>>>>>> Want to create a new object when you triple-click? Try the >>>>>>>>> tripleclick example plugin Want to make the patch cords disappear >>>>>>>>> when you leave Edit Mode? Check out the “only show cords in edit >>>>>>>>> mode” example. Those are the simple ones. There is also Tab >>>>>>>>> Completion, a search engine for the docs, a category browser for the >>>>>>>>> right-click menu, a buttonbar for creating objects, and more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find many GUI plugins in the new section of the downloads >>>>>>>>> page as well as documentation for making your own. What kind of GUI >>>>>>>>> plugin will write? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pd-announce mailing list >>>>>>>>> pd-annou...@iem.at >>>>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Friedenstr. 58 >>>>>>>> 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) >>>>>>>> Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 >>>>>>>> Studio +49 30 69509190 >>>>>>>> jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during >>>>>>> that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big >>>>>>> Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Friedenstr. 58 >>>>>> 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) >>>>>> Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 >>>>>> Studio +49 30 69509190 >>>>>> jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>> >>>>> Ángel Faraldo >>>>> _________________ >>>>> www.angelfaraldo.info >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during >>>> that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big >>>> Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Ángel Faraldo >>> _________________ >>> www.angelfaraldo.info >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> > > Ángel Faraldo > _________________ > www.angelfaraldo.info > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
